IMO just like the death penalty, you need to be 100% sure that a person deserves to die before you head down that road. You can’t be sure whether a death will affect change so I think morally that death needs to be justifiable in it’s own, and not only as a means to an end.
I think it‘s fair to have that opinion. I don‘t want to disregard all of the more pacifist people‘s points and I think they often have an important role in changing the world for the better. I also think violence sometimes is justified based on the conditions though.
So, I do have some notes on where we differ in our thinking based on your comment:
1: Death penalty to me is not comparable since the state, unlike an individual, has the power and resources available to dispense alternative punishments (prison, fines).
2: The state is also at fault for the conditions pictured in the meme, since it supports and rewards the processes that made BT possible, peaceful change seemingly impossible (check out study behind this https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba ) and LM (allegedly) inevitable.
3: We can never know the future, nor can we tell with certainty even afterwards if some small event like this has an impact. That doesn’t mean none of them were worthwhile though. For an example, do you think John Brown affected change?
Oh fuck outta here with the pearl clutching. Health insurance CEOs are mass murderers only they’re protected by layers of administration and red tape. Fuck them. Fuck their sympathizers.
IMO just like the death penalty, you need to be 100% sure that a person deserves to die before you head down that road. You can’t be sure whether a death will affect change so I think morally that death needs to be justifiable in it’s own, and not only as a means to an end.
I think it‘s fair to have that opinion. I don‘t want to disregard all of the more pacifist people‘s points and I think they often have an important role in changing the world for the better. I also think violence sometimes is justified based on the conditions though.
So, I do have some notes on where we differ in our thinking based on your comment:
1: Death penalty to me is not comparable since the state, unlike an individual, has the power and resources available to dispense alternative punishments (prison, fines).
2: The state is also at fault for the conditions pictured in the meme, since it supports and rewards the processes that made BT possible, peaceful change seemingly impossible (check out study behind this https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba ) and LM (allegedly) inevitable.
3: We can never know the future, nor can we tell with certainty even afterwards if some small event like this has an impact. That doesn’t mean none of them were worthwhile though. For an example, do you think John Brown affected change?
Retribution is morally justified
Oh fuck outta here with the pearl clutching. Health insurance CEOs are mass murderers only they’re protected by layers of administration and red tape. Fuck them. Fuck their sympathizers.