• @water
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    1371 day ago

    Carbon steel or cast iron all the way.

    • Refurbished Refurbisher
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      22 hours ago

      A bit ironic that a group labeling themselves the “Cookware Sustainability Alliance” is fighting to continue making unsustainable cookware.

      Both the fact that they have a voice that influences politicians more than their actual voters and that they’re allowed to call themselves that name is really a perfect representation of society.

    • @chonglibloodsport
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      541 day ago

      Stainless steel! Neither of those is something you want to use to simmer a tomato sauce.

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          Carbon steel and cast iron cookware have reactive metal surfaces that will rust if left exposed to moisture and air, especially when heated. To use these materials of cookware you need to season them which involves washing the surface clean and applying a very thin layer of oil which you then heat up to a high temperature (usually past the smoke point, but not strictly necessary).

          The heating of oil in contact with the metal causes the oil molecules to polymerize and bond to the metal surface. Done properly, this gives your cast iron and carbon steel cookware a smooth, glassy, slightly brown protective polymer layer which prevents rust and helps foods release (though not as well as nonstick pans). The seasoning process can be repeated as many times as you like and it builds up more and more layers which darken over time. A well seasoned piece of cast iron or carbon steel cookware will look shiny and jet black, though this is not necessary for cooking.

          The downside of these materials is that acidic or basic foods can damage the polymer layer and dissolve it right off the pan with enough heat and cooking time. Tomato sauce is a classic example of an acidic food that will eat away at the seasoning of a cast iron or carbon steel pan. A well seasoned pan can still be used to cook a tomato sauce, but not one you plan to be simmering for hours and hours (like some Sunday meat sauce like you’d see in Goodfellas).

          Stainless steel (as well as enameled or porcelain coated) cookware is nonreactive so you can use it to cook acidic or basic foods no problem!

          • @[email protected]
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            101 day ago

            Ohh right, I didn’t think about how acidic tomatoes are. I love tomatoes, but some of the people around me get absolutely horrible stomach pains apparently.

            Anyway, we make tomato based sauces at home, but never have we simmered anything for several hours like that cooking scene in Goodfellas. Should I? Would it be significantly better?

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            21 hours ago

            I thought there, who on earth makes tomato sauce in a non-stick pan 😅

            Nice writeup btw!

            So my stainless steel/inox Lagostina pan is non reactive? What would be the benefit from having a carbon steel one (I have used cast iron a lot but it’s so heavy)?

            Any community you’d recommend?

            • @AA5B
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              23 hours ago

              Exactly that: weight. Some people will give you other reasons why they like carbon steel but the most important is that it works like cast iron only lighter

            • @[email protected]
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              323 hours ago

              A well seasoned carbon steel is pretty much non-stick while in a stainless you usually want some sticking to have something to deglaze for sauces.

              • @Valmond
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                221 hours ago

                Mine sticks enough for a nice sauce :-) !

          • @werefreeatlast
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            31 day ago

            I don’t want to cause a panic, but acids like tomato juice, ascorbic, citric and vinegar can attack stainless steel and dissolved chrome in the process.

            But don’t think of it as extra chrome in your diet. After all, we get iron rich water from our cast iron pipes and fittings. Nah, think of it as that extra cancer you’re gonna be getting! Iron never gave you cancer, that’s a lousy metal. But chrome is pretty good!

              • @werefreeatlast
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                -220 hours ago

                Basically go to goodwill and have a look at their used stainless pans and then compare that to what you see at the store. Its not magic material. You put some tomatoes paste or salty beans or vinegar on it and you’ll be getting some chrome dissolved on to your food. Great! Its just a little right? Wrong! What else do you see? Scratches! Every time you use a metal spoon or steel wool to grab food or clean the pan, you create brand new unreacted leachable metal chrome…pans are probably grade 18 or 316 stainless steel, so 18% of whatever shavings you made becomes happy trivalent Cr-3 ions floating around with your tasty Na and CL lol. Look at pans that got overheated or pans where you accidentally left a spoon before going on vacation for a week…they’re black where some food was left on the surface due to oxygen depletion. Stainless steel is by no means the savior. Its the magic bullet, along with plastic in the food processing business! Processed foods pass thru churning mechanisms…metal rubbing and shedding stuff on to the food.

                This is why I sleep at night. I’m basically a walking FEMA disaster zone, yet, I still somehow get to my 8hr enslavement work and then back to my rest of the day 2-3 hours worth of family disfunctions just fine.

      • Possibly linux
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        019 hours ago

        I just use a aluminum pan. It doesn’t really matter if it heats evenly since you are making a liquid.

        • @chonglibloodsport
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          419 hours ago

          Aluminum is reactive too. But it tends to hold onto a seasoning really well!

    • @shalafi
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      321 day ago

      Available at a thrift store near you, with no carbon cost!

      • Jesus
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        331 day ago

        Used cast iron is usually better than a lot of new stuff. Back in the day, it was common for the pitted surfaces to be ground smooth.

        Now you can only get that with some “premium brands” that are willing to take a grinder to a pan before throwing it in the box.

        • @[email protected]
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          121 day ago

          SO THAT IS WHY MY FRYING PAN IS ANNOYING!

          I just thought it was going to be naturally ground down over time…

          Damn it, now I gotta find a thrift store.

          • @[email protected]
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            23 hours ago

            Or you can season the shit out of it. That will also smooth out the surface. Seasoning basically makes non-stick layers on your pan using burned oil.

            Preferably outdoors wipe a thin film of cooking oil on the pan and heat it up till it smokes, leaves smokey for a bit, cool down and repeat.

            It’d probably be smart to read real instructions somewhere else, but that’s the jist of it.

          • Jesus
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            81 day ago

            You can still get vintage Wagner cast iron for a decent price on eBay or FB marketplace, but over the past 15 years people have started to catch on to what I just mentioned. So it’s not as dirt cheap as it once was.

            These days I generally know how to cook on a pitted lodge without it sticking, but smooth cast iron is more forgiving.

            • @AA5B
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              117 hours ago

              The difference is what part is more forgiving

              • a smooth well seasoned surface is most forgiving for your food not sticking
              • a rough sandcast surface is most forgiving of poor cleaning habits. The seasoning is usually good enough and it is more likely to remain adhered
            • @[email protected]
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              117 hours ago

              My experience with flaxseed oil was less than stellar. It works real nice at first, you get a good strong non stick seasoning, but after a few uses it starts flaking off. My guess is that it forms too hard of a coating, so when the pan expands and contracts through use, it starts to separate from the seasoning. Avocado oil works pretty well, and so does normal vegetable or canola oil. The surface isn’t as nice as a fresh flaxseed oil coating, but it’s a lot more forgiving through use.

            • @AtariDump
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              31 day ago

              Oops, that link is expired!

          • @[email protected]
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            11 day ago

            It starts getting better after 10 or so years when the seaaoning has built up to fill the surface roughness.

            • @AtariDump
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              81 day ago

              Or you sand it down to be smooth and reseason it.

      • NaibofTabr
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        191 day ago

        Buying thrift store cast iron is risky, it may have been used to melt lead.

            • @AA5B
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              120 hours ago

              I have my browser configured to default to reader mode, and it seems readable

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                220 hours ago

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                • @AA5B
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                  219 hours ago

                  I guess they don’t want our traffic then.

                  It’s unfortunate - I thought it was a fairly comprehensive and readable overview of the differences between enamel and ceramic coated