Summary
Dutch pension fund Stichting Pensioenfonds ABP sold its $585 million Tesla stake over concerns about Elon Musk’s “controversial and exceptionally high” pay package and unspecified labor conditions.
ABP previously voted against Musk’s performance-based compensation, which has faced shareholder lawsuits and judicial scrutiny.
A Delaware judge recently invalidated the pay package, citing insufficient shareholder approval.
While Tesla’s Model Y remains popular in the Netherlands, European sales fell 15% in 2024.
ABP stated the divestment was not politically motivated despite Musk’s ties to the Trump administration.
I don’t understand why people mention the ketamine. If he truly did a lot of ketamine he’d be far nicer. It gives a dreamy feeling where your opinions on matters are much more down to earth. You don’t overthink and live more in the moment. If anything, Muskyboi should do a lot more ketamine.
That is complete nonsense, ket can make you a enraged, confused dumbass after chronic use, I’ve seen it happen.
Enraged? Lmao. That seems to be the only nonsense that’s been posted here. I’m not even going to entertain that misinformation. Whatever person you saw become a dumbass was already destined to be a dumbass, and the ketamine did not help.
Confused I’ll confirm, although mostly from an outside perspective. Ketamine is considered a dissociative because there’s no loss of awareness. It dissociates awareness from body, creating new perspectives. How one reacts to that is up to the person themselves, it doesn’t alter that. From what I’ve seen it’s either no change or personal growth.
I’m saying this because mentioning ketamine is just anti-drug mentality and has nothing to do with how he is as a person. I don’t like the new Muskyboi, but mentioning something most people here know absolutely nothing about is just bad taste.
Drugs don’t change people. Plenty of murderers smoke weed, and no sane person arguing in good faith would say weed makes you violent.
I know hundreds of ketamine users. I have been in legal drug education and have a lot of personal experience too.
Drugs do not change behavior, but perspective does. Psychedelics and dissociatives alter perspective, and it’s a fact that people alter their behavior depending on their perspective.
Muskyboi has a huge ego, most likely because of some grandeur perspective. But that’s the opposite of the perspective one has on ketamine.
Yes psychedelics change perspective but you can still be a cunt. It’s not a silver bullet unfortunately otherwise we’d have been in utopia after the 1960s.
As Bron so eloquently stated in Game of Thrones: “There’s no cure for being a cunt.”
So do you just not believe all of the various people who have watched or done Ketamine with him?
His own friends say that he microdoses Ketamine daily and macrodoses at parties.
I’m saying mentioning ketamine is useless and its impact on Musk is meaningless. The amounts he’s taking are either too small to be mentioned, or not high enough to drop that stupid nazi perspective.
I think ketamine is an absolutely amazing substance with a lot of positive psychological effects, but mentioning it when talking about Muskyboi and Nazis is useless. It doesn’t change the man. He just likes to do it, who cares?
Have you tried taking ketamine well be the richest person on the planet and thinking you are the smartest?
Oh. I get you know, and I agree. He would be the same racist prick with or without substances.
Set and setting matter a lot, as does intent going into things with the drug. Ketamine can offer perspective and help you become a better person, that doesn’t mean it always does.
When Elon Musk does drugs, do you think he goes into it looking for enlightenment, or looking to party?
This seems like a massive and ultimately incorrect generalization.
Weed doesn’t have to reliably turn the worst murderers in society into community serving pacifists every single time in order to be effective and worthwhile. That’s just perfect being the enemy of good.
Like another reply said, drugs can change perspective which is how people change themselves. It certainly worked for me with both weed and ketamine (both legally sourced with medical providers involved, and only several times total with the ketamine).
The problem is generalizations. I’ve seen people get extremely paranoid on weed. Everyone is different.
Absolutely. Likewise, prescribed medications for mental heath vary by individual and they are essentially trial and error with some educated guessing by your doctor.
It doesn’t change the core being is my point. You can’t take an evil person and make them good with drugs, and you can’t take a good person and make them evil with drugs. They just amplify or shift perspective, but they don’t introduce anything from the outside into the person who uses them.