Or maybe they are? Maybe it’s difficult to get new people to organize and join and support a party that almost always gets ignored by the news media, or
else is being demonized by the democratic establishment or democrat voters.
People will come into threads like this and complain about the Green party not doing anything for 3.5 years at a time but also refuse to join the green party or volunteer or anything.
I volunteer. I live in a state with ranked choice voting but left-of-center voters still overwhelmingly don’t vote for local green candidates. That’s on us Greens to do better, but again it’s difficult when there are so few people willing to get involved.
or else is being demonized by the democratic establishment or democrat voters.
The party that only exists to siphon Dem votes and help Republicans win isn’t universally loved by Democrats? Wow that’s so crazy, I can’t imagine why that would be.
It’s almost as if they were a primary reason Trump won the first election and became relevant in the first place. It’s almost as if the entire MAGA movement is only as big as they are because of the Green Party’s role in that first election…
It’s a total mystery why anyone would be unhappy with Stein 🤷♂️
Here we go again blaming the green party for the dems running a shitty candidate and a shitty campaign. The green party doesn’t exist to siphon dem votes and help Republicans win, it exists to act as a check on the democrats and make sure they don’t abandon there left wing.
You know what stops the green party? Giving the left someone to vote for on the dems. Obama runs on hope and change and health care reform in 08, greens only get 0.12% . The dems give us Clinton who ignores and ostracized Bernie, greens go up to 1%. Biden campaigns on building back better, student loan forgiveness, stimmy etc. And brings Bernie into help build the platform, greens go back down to 0.26% . The dems give us kamala and ignore the left to pick up Cheney supporters, greens go back up to 0.5% .
If dems are gonna abandon the left then they shouldn’t expect left votes. And if the left continues to vote dem even when they gove them nothing then they’ve lost all there power.
In time, I hope you come to reject the propaganda you just posted.
The green party doesn’t exist to screw you all over. It’s made up of real people who believe in the tenets of the party. The fact that the voting system is broken in 48 states and is “first past the post” is not the fault of the green party.
The green party exists to try and win, just like the two bigger parties. One could just as equally claim that the democratic party only exists to siphon off green party votes.
They aren’t. The fact that so many people seem to be disenfranchised by the 2-party system but 3rd party candidates aren’t winning in local/state elections across the country prove that 3rd parties aren’t putting in the effort.
The point is the same as it was during the late stages of the election, third party needs a massive grassroots movement from early on in order to have traction by post-primary stages in the main parties’ cycles.
True, but they won’t do it because they’re not serious. It’s performative as much as it is spoilage. I’ll be super impressed if one third party is able to be nationally recognized with more than a token presidential candidate in four years.
And do what, canvas when there’s no election and get even more doors slammed in your face.
Yeah the green party isn’t campaigning in the off season, but neither are Republicans or democrats because nobody cares. Half the people only pay attention to politics the week before the election.
You know there’s more than just the presidency… Right? Right? Building locally gcssroots doesn’t mean showing up for the presidential cycle every four years. You understand this, right?
I don’t know about the Trump promoters, but a lot of the people vocally supporting Harris are very much still here, commenting about other topics. A few (but only a few) of the third-party supporters are still here too, for that matter (notable example: @givesomefucks).
That’s how you can tell they’re real users, rather than shills being paid to push an agenda: they didn’t go away when the job ended.
This thread is not about people’s appetite for political discussion, or whether they’re misguided enough to only pay attention to the Presidential election instead of building their party from local offices on up. It’s about whether they were ever legitimate at all to begin with.
The Harris and Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
What did you expect? The election cycle do be like that.
I wish
I wish the Trump supporters would go silent.
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If you don’t spend your time perpetually online, they are pretty silent.
Show me a conservative with their mouth closed and I’ll show you an America where everyone is treated equally.
What the hell have you been smoking lmao
No they didn’t lol there were topics about the election results immediately after, and for probably two weeks at least.
After the election, what’s left to say about third party candidates who everyone knew wouldn’t win, including the people who voted for them?
Isn’t now the time to start building a third party up to have a chance in the next election?
It’s better than pulling a Jill Stein and parachuting into the debate in the last couple weeks to gain some funding.
she announced long before the last couple weeks, but the media iced her out.
No the media did not “ice her out”. Green party has hardly any seats ANYWHERE in the country. Because they are not here to do the work of building.
The only people that got played harder than Trump supporters were 3rd party voters.
Or maybe they are? Maybe it’s difficult to get new people to organize and join and support a party that almost always gets ignored by the news media, or else is being demonized by the democratic establishment or democrat voters.
People will come into threads like this and complain about the Green party not doing anything for 3.5 years at a time but also refuse to join the green party or volunteer or anything.
I volunteer. I live in a state with ranked choice voting but left-of-center voters still overwhelmingly don’t vote for local green candidates. That’s on us Greens to do better, but again it’s difficult when there are so few people willing to get involved.
The party that only exists to siphon Dem votes and help Republicans win isn’t universally loved by Democrats? Wow that’s so crazy, I can’t imagine why that would be.
It’s almost as if they were a primary reason Trump won the first election and became relevant in the first place. It’s almost as if the entire MAGA movement is only as big as they are because of the Green Party’s role in that first election…
It’s a total mystery why anyone would be unhappy with Stein 🤷♂️
Here we go again blaming the green party for the dems running a shitty candidate and a shitty campaign. The green party doesn’t exist to siphon dem votes and help Republicans win, it exists to act as a check on the democrats and make sure they don’t abandon there left wing.
You know what stops the green party? Giving the left someone to vote for on the dems. Obama runs on hope and change and health care reform in 08, greens only get 0.12% . The dems give us Clinton who ignores and ostracized Bernie, greens go up to 1%. Biden campaigns on building back better, student loan forgiveness, stimmy etc. And brings Bernie into help build the platform, greens go back down to 0.26% . The dems give us kamala and ignore the left to pick up Cheney supporters, greens go back up to 0.5% .
If dems are gonna abandon the left then they shouldn’t expect left votes. And if the left continues to vote dem even when they gove them nothing then they’ve lost all there power.
In time, I hope you come to reject the propaganda you just posted.
The green party doesn’t exist to screw you all over. It’s made up of real people who believe in the tenets of the party. The fact that the voting system is broken in 48 states and is “first past the post” is not the fault of the green party.
The green party exists to try and win, just like the two bigger parties. One could just as equally claim that the democratic party only exists to siphon off green party votes.
They aren’t. The fact that so many people seem to be disenfranchised by the 2-party system but 3rd party candidates aren’t winning in local/state elections across the country prove that 3rd parties aren’t putting in the effort.
. . . What’s your point?
Surely that’s the point. Well, that and to throw the election to the other russian puppet.
The point is the same as it was during the late stages of the election, third party needs a massive grassroots movement from early on in order to have traction by post-primary stages in the main parties’ cycles.
True, but they won’t do it because they’re not serious. It’s performative as much as it is spoilage. I’ll be super impressed if one third party is able to be nationally recognized with more than a token presidential candidate in four years.
The same thing Harris voters said. Talking about the loss and about the winner.
If those “green voters” actually gave a shit about getting their candidate elected, you’d hear from them for more than 2 months every 4 years.
But no, that was never the goal. Their goal was for Trump to win
Green/PSL voters are literally posting in this thread. Maybe you have confirmation bias.
And do what, canvas when there’s no election and get even more doors slammed in your face.
Yeah the green party isn’t campaigning in the off season, but neither are Republicans or democrats because nobody cares. Half the people only pay attention to politics the week before the election.
You know there’s more than just the presidency… Right? Right? Building locally gcssroots doesn’t mean showing up for the presidential cycle every four years. You understand this, right?
IMHO the local communities on Lemmy are still way too small. So you’re mostly going to see discussion of national or global politics here.
No. We can go look up right now haw many state and federal positions are held by green parties
I’m not disputing that it’s few. I’m pointing out that this activity would be practically invisible to us.
Then a 3rd party will never be viable.
Yeah man, like 3 people on lemmy are the ones who TURN THE TIDES on elections
My god, the insanity is real.
How about Jill Stein herself who shows up on the same timeline?
Yeah her 30k voters turned the tides of the election lolz 😂
She got 782,528 votes or about 0.5% of the popular vote.
You’re misrepresenting her votes by about 26 times less.
Why is that?
Wow, it’s almost like the goal wasn’t to get her elected, it was to make sure Harris didn’t get elected.
Lolz!
Man I want to know what you are on, to be so deluded into thinking that 30k people can literally swing an election lmao 🤣
You realize elections have come down to a relatively small number of votes, correct? Especially if those votes are in the right locations.
https://www.britannica.com/list/5-remarkably-close-us-presidential-elections
Still on the 30k votes again huh? No mention of the low turnout for Democrat voters? Or the crowd pushing for people not to vote?
I don’t know about the Trump promoters, but a lot of the people vocally supporting Harris are very much still here, commenting about other topics. A few (but only a few) of the third-party supporters are still here too, for that matter (notable example: @givesomefucks).
That’s how you can tell they’re real users, rather than shills being paid to push an agenda: they didn’t go away when the job ended.
This thread is not about people’s appetite for political discussion, or whether they’re misguided enough to only pay attention to the Presidential election instead of building their party from local offices on up. It’s about whether they were ever legitimate at all to begin with.
Oh, I thought that was because I blocked Trump and Musk in my keywords. It’s been a peaceful time and I expect I shan’t ever go back.
Nor I.
What? Lol? What universe do you live in? Sounds nice