I get your point, but absolutely 100% unironically it is the voters who are wrong.
Trump lead an insurrection, is a confirmed rapist, convicted felon, twice impeached, wear dampers because he’s incontinencent, openly scammed his voters out of their money multiple times and has vowed to be a dictator.
Yup. We just had the most obvious election we’re ever likely to experience and voters still managed to drop the ball. You can place blame on Democrats, and some of it would be justified, but the blame primarily lies on trash ass American voters. We are AWFUL at voting. We are AWFUL at informing ourselves responsibly.
Which is why I maintain that it’s the DNC’s fault. Trying to win by asking voters to vote against someone is a dog shit strategy with a dog shit track record. In fact, in a lot of regards, Kamala’s campaign was run pretty similarly to Hillary’s. For me, the chief similarity is that they tried to rely on fear and shaming and celebrity appearances (by the second half of the campaign) instead of offering an impactful policy slate. To boot, I seem to recall that a lot of team Hillary ended up running Kamala’s campaign, so I guess it’s not too shocking that they muzzled a lot of her left leaning ideals and basically ran Hillary pt II. One would have hoped that they would have learned anything from '16 besides voter blaming, though. I’d like to point out that Kamala gained the most ground in the first half of her campaign when it was about excitement, when people were hopeful that she’d have some progressive policies and before it was known that her policy plank was the basic centrist corporate democrat plank.
It also didn’t help that they pretended and insisted Joe was fine all through the primary, so we didn’t get one, insisted he was fine and we just didn’t have any choice but to vote blue after Joe blew his legs off and bled all over the debate stage for 90 minutes on national TV, and only started leaning on him once the really disastrous poll numbers started rolling in.
Except that’s ignoring the elephant in the room. Sure they could have run a better campaign, if they did they might have even been able to win, but the best campaign in history is still not going to win over a single MAGA cultists, and even if Kamala won, those people would not go away, they will still be there the next election to vote for a Trump and there propaganda machine will make sure there is even more of them next time too and that they are even more fanatical.
That’s the real problem and things aren’t going to get better unless we actually stop the maga cult from recruiting and/ or deprogram them.
but the best campaign in history is still not going to win over a single MAGA cultists
So you agree with us? This is like, the exact advice Harris didn’t follow and a BIG part of why she lost: trying to convince people who will never vote for her to do so at the cost of those who otherwise would have
This is your daily reminder that Trump pulled about the same numbers as he did in 2020, but Kamala pulled about 5 million less than Joe did in 2020. The republicans didn’t overperform, the democrats underperformed.
The point of my comment is that the election result is a side effect of the real issue.
Trump got 62m votes in 2016, 74m in 2020 and 77m in 2024. So even when the dems DID beat him, and even when he killed off millions of his supporters with covid, he only got more popular. His cult grows and grows and becomes more fanatical. THAT is the real problem. And nothing the dems can do in a campaign will convert a fanatical trump supporter, so unless we can do something to stop his cult growing at the very least, then it’s not going to matter how good the dems campaign is.
Biden got 81,283,501 in 2020 so he still holds the record for the most votes but a ton of people decided that they didn’t want to vote and were okay with the results being decided for them.
This honestly feels like when Democrats say that they don’t need to change anything, they just need to educate voters, as though that’s some minor task. You’re taking an achievable task for the scope of an election (running a highly, highly aggressive policy plank instead of an uninspiring centrist plank covered in progressive vinyl-wrap) and swapping it for an unachievable task (let’s just make MAGA disappear). What’s more is that the former achieves the latter, imo. Making the MAGA cult vanish just isn’t an actionable item, but it is an outcome. You’re never going to get anywhere if you just get stuck at “Sorry, we’d love to try to win this year, but we haven’t figured out how to wish MAGA out of existence yet”.
I get your point, but absolutely 100% unironically it is the voters who are wrong.
Trump lead an insurrection, is a confirmed rapist, convicted felon, twice impeached, wear dampers because he’s incontinencent, openly scammed his voters out of their money multiple times and has vowed to be a dictator.
A sloppy dog shit should have won against him.
Yup. We just had the most obvious election we’re ever likely to experience and voters still managed to drop the ball. You can place blame on Democrats, and some of it would be justified, but the blame primarily lies on trash ass American voters. We are AWFUL at voting. We are AWFUL at informing ourselves responsibly.
Removed by mod
Which is why I maintain that it’s the DNC’s fault. Trying to win by asking voters to vote against someone is a dog shit strategy with a dog shit track record. In fact, in a lot of regards, Kamala’s campaign was run pretty similarly to Hillary’s. For me, the chief similarity is that they tried to rely on fear and shaming and celebrity appearances (by the second half of the campaign) instead of offering an impactful policy slate. To boot, I seem to recall that a lot of team Hillary ended up running Kamala’s campaign, so I guess it’s not too shocking that they muzzled a lot of her left leaning ideals and basically ran Hillary pt II. One would have hoped that they would have learned anything from '16 besides voter blaming, though. I’d like to point out that Kamala gained the most ground in the first half of her campaign when it was about excitement, when people were hopeful that she’d have some progressive policies and before it was known that her policy plank was the basic centrist corporate democrat plank.
It also didn’t help that they pretended and insisted Joe was fine all through the primary, so we didn’t get one, insisted he was fine and we just didn’t have any choice but to vote blue after Joe blew his legs off and bled all over the debate stage for 90 minutes on national TV, and only started leaning on him once the really disastrous poll numbers started rolling in.
Exactly, supposedly, it is the voter’s fault for not taking Trump seriously, even though the DNC absolutely refuses to.
Except that’s ignoring the elephant in the room. Sure they could have run a better campaign, if they did they might have even been able to win, but the best campaign in history is still not going to win over a single MAGA cultists, and even if Kamala won, those people would not go away, they will still be there the next election to vote for a Trump and there propaganda machine will make sure there is even more of them next time too and that they are even more fanatical.
That’s the real problem and things aren’t going to get better unless we actually stop the maga cult from recruiting and/ or deprogram them.
So you agree with us? This is like, the exact advice Harris didn’t follow and a BIG part of why she lost: trying to convince people who will never vote for her to do so at the cost of those who otherwise would have
If you want to purposely ignore the entire fucking point of my comment, sure.
This is your daily reminder that Trump pulled about the same numbers as he did in 2020, but Kamala pulled about 5 million less than Joe did in 2020. The republicans didn’t overperform, the democrats underperformed.
Cool, you’re completely ignoring the point of my comment.
No. I didn’t. The person who won the popular vote was no vote. Fuck maga, the democrats need to be giving people a reason to show up.
Yes you did. And you’re still missing it.
The point of my comment is that the election result is a side effect of the real issue.
Trump got 62m votes in 2016, 74m in 2020 and 77m in 2024. So even when the dems DID beat him, and even when he killed off millions of his supporters with covid, he only got more popular. His cult grows and grows and becomes more fanatical. THAT is the real problem. And nothing the dems can do in a campaign will convert a fanatical trump supporter, so unless we can do something to stop his cult growing at the very least, then it’s not going to matter how good the dems campaign is.
Biden got 81,283,501 in 2020 so he still holds the record for the most votes but a ton of people decided that they didn’t want to vote and were okay with the results being decided for them.
How do you reach those people?
This honestly feels like when Democrats say that they don’t need to change anything, they just need to educate voters, as though that’s some minor task. You’re taking an achievable task for the scope of an election (running a highly, highly aggressive policy plank instead of an uninspiring centrist plank covered in progressive vinyl-wrap) and swapping it for an unachievable task (let’s just make MAGA disappear). What’s more is that the former achieves the latter, imo. Making the MAGA cult vanish just isn’t an actionable item, but it is an outcome. You’re never going to get anywhere if you just get stuck at “Sorry, we’d love to try to win this year, but we haven’t figured out how to wish MAGA out of existence yet”.