I swear to fucking god, there is no purgatory that will atone Fukuyama for that fucking article.
“Met with Putin”? Really? “Excused killing of journalists”? You sure they weren’t Hamas? Hell, you list the nuclear forces treaty, even when you, yourself, recognize it was because of China, not Russia. Is that what qualifies you as Putin’s “pet dog”? Tangentially kinda sorta benefiting Russia while trying to spite China? If retreating from the stage is “allowing russia to Take a bigger Part”, then surely it’s also allowing China “to Take a bigger Part”. Is he China’s pet dog too? If Europe finally gets off it’s ass and starts doing shit, will it retroactively make him EU’s pet dog?
Not going out of your way to antagonize a foreign nation does not make you a sleeper agent. It’s actually remarkable that the ambient level of hatred for Russia is so high that any interaction that’s not immediately and deliberately hostile is met with vaguely homophobic jeering. The one point you list that is actually, genuinely, directly for Russia’s benefit is the G7 membership, and even then I’m not entirely convinced he didn’t do it to troll Rachel Maddow.
Explain to me then how abolishing a Treaty solely between Russia and US that was forged in 1989, when China as a nuclear Power wasnt such a Thing, has had any positive effect in regards to the US Relation to China or the Rest of the World. He Said, it was BC of China, thats clearly just an excuse. france and UK already were nuclear Powers in 1989, but were not part of this Treaty, why do you think that was?
If you want to forge a new Treaty with another country (i.e. China), you forge it with them bilaterally between China and US, not by abolishing existing Treaties. No one would Stop you from having multiple Treaties, honestly. Aside from the fact that those already exist.
If you can not See that this was purely to the benefit of Russia and Putin, then to what purpose was it?
Its not about going Out of your way to antagonize a foreign Nation, that was already Made 70 years ago with the Cold War. But reducing those Treaties and being apologetic about foreign nations treating of free speech and freedom in General with No positive Effect to your own Country or the international Stage at large does Not make you Look strong or in any way interested in your own countries welfare, it makes you Look weak and in that countries Pocket.
Whether He IS in Chinas Pocket or Not, you can decide for yourself, following the Link given by me on His foreign policies.
Europe will defend their interests, as we have always done (you can see on my instance, that i am Not a US Citizen, do you?). Before Trump, we we’re of the opinion that our and your interests align as the Western Democratic World, making positive Change for all of us. This Changes more and more with what a fuck-show of an Impression Trumps US has given us.
With what His current ramblings are, Thinking, that you can Change Goalposts in a partnership singlehandedly (i.e. NATOs, Not the United States, requirements for 3% GDP Military spending to 5%), Shows clearly, that He does Not consider the Rest of the Democratic World AS Partners, but adversaries.
Honestly, whatever you wrote, did Not once answer my requests for explaining to me your Points? I answered your questions in regards to Finance and spending, you are Just ignoring those Things. Not being able to talking Things Out with me makes me think you are a Troll, not a Person interested in Civil discourse and discussion.
That’s the thing - It doesn’t benefit anyone. Canceling it doesn’t benefit the US, because it lets Russia off the hook, It doesn’t benefit Russia either, because it lets the US off the hook. And it doesn’t even benefit China, because it lets both the US and Russia off the hook. The whole point of having the agreement is that it limits both sides, and both sides want it, that’s why they sign it in the first place. If Putin wanted out of the deal that badly, he could have just canceled it the same way Trump did (or, yknow, just kept breaking it like he already did). It literally doesn’t benefit anyone. If Trump were the kind of person that knows what the word “bilaterally” means, he could have handled it differently, like everyone - including Russia - wanted him to. But since he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who does, I have exactly zero problem imagining him concluding “Well, if they won’t then I won’t either!” and wrecking everything like the bull in a china shop that he is. He doesn’t consider the rest of the world as partners, he doesn’t consider anyone a partner, he seems to think in terms of zero-sum and tit-for-tat. Even his “I’m leaving NATO” left more of the impression of an extortionist shaking the EU down for cash. It wouldn’t surprise me he only likes Putin because he can use him to threaten Europe.
I asked what, if anything, did Trump do to warrant being called Putin’s pet dog, when from the outside he seems to favour Israel much more openly. Your examples are either inconsequential or entirely off base. It’s like blaming Russia for crashing your car because you were too distracted by thinking about how much you hate Russia to drive. If the president of a country were truly that compromised, you would expect him to, IDK, declare Crimea Russian, or ship them an F-35, or give them Alaska back or something. Not spend four years on chickenshit crap line “refraining from criticism”.
At what Point in time did I say any Thing about Trumps relationship to Israel? Being favorfull to Russia and other states IS possibke, its mit mutually exclusive.
Putins Russia could Not have opted Out this easily from the Treaty, because that would have Made hin Look evil in the international Stage. Including towards China. This would have severely impacted His ability to secure funding, munitions and Ressources from other states, which He needed, AS WE now know for a 3-day Invasion of Ukraine.
Just for an example for this, See Irans nuclear Programm which resulted in them being almost completely cut Off from the international Stage.
So yes, Trump did do Putin a favor, shifting the blame from existing the Treaty to a manical narcisist and President of the US.
You didn’t mention Israel, I did. That was the start of this conversation, the comparison between his supposed treatment of Russia and his actual treatment of Israel.
You know what, forget it. I’m on post four in the conversation, and I’m already on the second recap. This is a waste of time.
I swear to fucking god, there is no purgatory that will atone Fukuyama for that fucking article.
“Met with Putin”? Really? “Excused killing of journalists”? You sure they weren’t Hamas? Hell, you list the nuclear forces treaty, even when you, yourself, recognize it was because of China, not Russia. Is that what qualifies you as Putin’s “pet dog”? Tangentially kinda sorta benefiting Russia while trying to spite China? If retreating from the stage is “allowing russia to Take a bigger Part”, then surely it’s also allowing China “to Take a bigger Part”. Is he China’s pet dog too? If Europe finally gets off it’s ass and starts doing shit, will it retroactively make him EU’s pet dog?
Not going out of your way to antagonize a foreign nation does not make you a sleeper agent. It’s actually remarkable that the ambient level of hatred for Russia is so high that any interaction that’s not immediately and deliberately hostile is met with vaguely homophobic jeering. The one point you list that is actually, genuinely, directly for Russia’s benefit is the G7 membership, and even then I’m not entirely convinced he didn’t do it to troll Rachel Maddow.
Explain to me then how abolishing a Treaty solely between Russia and US that was forged in 1989, when China as a nuclear Power wasnt such a Thing, has had any positive effect in regards to the US Relation to China or the Rest of the World. He Said, it was BC of China, thats clearly just an excuse. france and UK already were nuclear Powers in 1989, but were not part of this Treaty, why do you think that was? If you want to forge a new Treaty with another country (i.e. China), you forge it with them bilaterally between China and US, not by abolishing existing Treaties. No one would Stop you from having multiple Treaties, honestly. Aside from the fact that those already exist.
If you can not See that this was purely to the benefit of Russia and Putin, then to what purpose was it?
Its not about going Out of your way to antagonize a foreign Nation, that was already Made 70 years ago with the Cold War. But reducing those Treaties and being apologetic about foreign nations treating of free speech and freedom in General with No positive Effect to your own Country or the international Stage at large does Not make you Look strong or in any way interested in your own countries welfare, it makes you Look weak and in that countries Pocket. Whether He IS in Chinas Pocket or Not, you can decide for yourself, following the Link given by me on His foreign policies.
Europe will defend their interests, as we have always done (you can see on my instance, that i am Not a US Citizen, do you?). Before Trump, we we’re of the opinion that our and your interests align as the Western Democratic World, making positive Change for all of us. This Changes more and more with what a fuck-show of an Impression Trumps US has given us. With what His current ramblings are, Thinking, that you can Change Goalposts in a partnership singlehandedly (i.e. NATOs, Not the United States, requirements for 3% GDP Military spending to 5%), Shows clearly, that He does Not consider the Rest of the Democratic World AS Partners, but adversaries.
Honestly, whatever you wrote, did Not once answer my requests for explaining to me your Points? I answered your questions in regards to Finance and spending, you are Just ignoring those Things. Not being able to talking Things Out with me makes me think you are a Troll, not a Person interested in Civil discourse and discussion.
That’s the thing - It doesn’t benefit anyone. Canceling it doesn’t benefit the US, because it lets Russia off the hook, It doesn’t benefit Russia either, because it lets the US off the hook. And it doesn’t even benefit China, because it lets both the US and Russia off the hook. The whole point of having the agreement is that it limits both sides, and both sides want it, that’s why they sign it in the first place. If Putin wanted out of the deal that badly, he could have just canceled it the same way Trump did (or, yknow, just kept breaking it like he already did). It literally doesn’t benefit anyone. If Trump were the kind of person that knows what the word “bilaterally” means, he could have handled it differently, like everyone - including Russia - wanted him to. But since he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who does, I have exactly zero problem imagining him concluding “Well, if they won’t then I won’t either!” and wrecking everything like the bull in a china shop that he is. He doesn’t consider the rest of the world as partners, he doesn’t consider anyone a partner, he seems to think in terms of zero-sum and tit-for-tat. Even his “I’m leaving NATO” left more of the impression of an extortionist shaking the EU down for cash. It wouldn’t surprise me he only likes Putin because he can use him to threaten Europe.
I asked what, if anything, did Trump do to warrant being called Putin’s pet dog, when from the outside he seems to favour Israel much more openly. Your examples are either inconsequential or entirely off base. It’s like blaming Russia for crashing your car because you were too distracted by thinking about how much you hate Russia to drive. If the president of a country were truly that compromised, you would expect him to, IDK, declare Crimea Russian, or ship them an F-35, or give them Alaska back or something. Not spend four years on chickenshit crap line “refraining from criticism”.
At what Point in time did I say any Thing about Trumps relationship to Israel? Being favorfull to Russia and other states IS possibke, its mit mutually exclusive. Putins Russia could Not have opted Out this easily from the Treaty, because that would have Made hin Look evil in the international Stage. Including towards China. This would have severely impacted His ability to secure funding, munitions and Ressources from other states, which He needed, AS WE now know for a 3-day Invasion of Ukraine. Just for an example for this, See Irans nuclear Programm which resulted in them being almost completely cut Off from the international Stage. So yes, Trump did do Putin a favor, shifting the blame from existing the Treaty to a manical narcisist and President of the US.
You didn’t mention Israel, I did. That was the start of this conversation, the comparison between his supposed treatment of Russia and his actual treatment of Israel.
You know what, forget it. I’m on post four in the conversation, and I’m already on the second recap. This is a waste of time.