I’m a programmer and I still try to avoid appliances with a computer in them. It’s impossible to avoid every sort of computer unless you buy vintage stuff, but something like a microwave with a digital timer is still OK. However, something with wifi or a display showing more than the basic seven-symbol characters is out.
The old stuff is often not just less annoying but works better. For example, my old washer/dryer each took about 20 minutes for a standard cycle. My friend’s fancy new ones take an hour. Dishwashers have the same issue. I expect that the modern ones use less water and electricity, but I don’t think the savings would be worth the inconvenience even if they used none at all.
Newer dishwashers cycle the same water through repeatedly during the wash cycle, only bringing in fresh a few times during the process. Old ones from before they were concerned about water efficiency would just pull in fresh water and drain out dirty water instead of cycling the same water through repeatedly during each phase of the process.
Because they only run clean water it takes less runtime on the older dishwashers but they’re also constantly pulling in fresh water. It’s also why newer dishwashers require more cleaning out filters - they don’t just drain to the drain, so they need to care that the water draining won’t gum up the sprayers and such because it’s going to go back through. The point is that they use much less total water to get the job done.
A lot of the new ones, as you said, take longer because they default to an eco mode and use less resources. Mine at least has a mode that ignores that and just goes all out.
I usually don’t use it because it’s easier to just plan ahead and I don’t really ever need it to finish that fast.
It’s also nice that it can tell if something needs more or less washing by checking the water occlusion.
Both my split systems are “dumb” where their only controllable out the box via an IR remote. A couple of ESP32-C3 later and their WiFi enabled without the calling home jargon that comes with the oem add-on wifi modules.
My dryer is a heat pump - it takes longer than the old unit, but the energy consumption is far far less than the unit we had installed from the 80s. No need to make modifications to the house for a vent, or have the machine vent humid air into the house during a cycle either. Safety is another big plus on the dryer, old units are horribly dangerous by comparison.
I’m a programmer and I still try to avoid appliances with a computer in them. It’s impossible to avoid every sort of computer unless you buy vintage stuff, but something like a microwave with a digital timer is still OK. However, something with wifi or a display showing more than the basic seven-symbol characters is out.
The old stuff is often not just less annoying but works better. For example, my old washer/dryer each took about 20 minutes for a standard cycle. My friend’s fancy new ones take an hour. Dishwashers have the same issue. I expect that the modern ones use less water and electricity, but I don’t think the savings would be worth the inconvenience even if they used none at all.
Newer dishwashers cycle the same water through repeatedly during the wash cycle, only bringing in fresh a few times during the process. Old ones from before they were concerned about water efficiency would just pull in fresh water and drain out dirty water instead of cycling the same water through repeatedly during each phase of the process.
Because they only run clean water it takes less runtime on the older dishwashers but they’re also constantly pulling in fresh water. It’s also why newer dishwashers require more cleaning out filters - they don’t just drain to the drain, so they need to care that the water draining won’t gum up the sprayers and such because it’s going to go back through. The point is that they use much less total water to get the job done.
A lot of the new ones, as you said, take longer because they default to an eco mode and use less resources. Mine at least has a mode that ignores that and just goes all out.
I usually don’t use it because it’s easier to just plan ahead and I don’t really ever need it to finish that fast.
It’s also nice that it can tell if something needs more or less washing by checking the water occlusion.
Both my split systems are “dumb” where their only controllable out the box via an IR remote. A couple of ESP32-C3 later and their WiFi enabled without the calling home jargon that comes with the oem add-on wifi modules.
My dryer is a heat pump - it takes longer than the old unit, but the energy consumption is far far less than the unit we had installed from the 80s. No need to make modifications to the house for a vent, or have the machine vent humid air into the house during a cycle either. Safety is another big plus on the dryer, old units are horribly dangerous by comparison.