• @RememberTheApollo_English
    8•12 days ago

    https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies

    1. Foreign companies are generally subject to U.S. tax on U.S. source income. This includes income from selling goods or services in the United States, from owning or leasing property in the United States, and from investing in U.S. securities.

    So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.

    • @[email protected]English
      0•12 days ago

      Can americans not use credit processors that reside in another country? This sounds like a non issue for proton as long as they dont market to americans.

          • @RememberTheApollo_English
            1•12 days ago

            No, go out of their way to sign up with foreign payment agencies.

            • @[email protected]English
              1•11 days ago

              Surely that would be on the service, not the customer, no? They would charge a foreign transaction fee, which is annoying, but it can also be avoided by using pretty much any travel card.

              • @RememberTheApollo_English
                1•11 days ago

                Did you look at the payment options before you commented? They are conventional, like credit cards, paypal, and even Bitcoin. You are expecting people to expend the effort on Proton’s behalf to help Proton avoid US taxes? I’m not sure what you’re arguing at this point. Proton makes money in the US via conventional means, therefore is then subject to whatever US laws and policies are applicable. Not sure what the big deal is.

                • @[email protected]English
                  1•11 days ago

                  Yes, they do, I’m saying they could avoid US payment processors if they wanted to w/o really any change for users other than maybe changing the credit card they use to avoid the foreign transaction fee. That was the whole thrust of this comment chain.

                  I think Tuta does that since I’m charged in euros and subject to foreign transaction fees, so I doubt they pay US taxes. It’s no big deal, I just use a credit card w/ 0% FTF and I’m good to go.

                  • @RememberTheApollo_English
                    1•11 days ago

                    So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.

                    This is the point of this thread that you are arguing against by making up scenarios for the customer or Proton to avoid US entanglements. The point of this thread is that yes, Proton is subject to US law regarding money made in the US. End of story.

                    If you want to create hypotheticals where Proton excludes US customers or coulda done this and coulda done that, whatever man. You can make up whatever you want to be right. The question has been answered.