If they didn’t ask for it, and don’t want it, it’s not ‘giving’ the other person anything. This is how a lot of sexual assault works; the rapist tells the other person they’re enjoying it and does things like this, and then goes ‘well I did (whatever act) for them, so I’m the good guy here.’ This idea that performing oral/touching the other person/etc without direct stimulation back is entirely about the person receiving is false, has always been false, and will continue to be false. This is dangerous ground we’re on here, and we’re better than this.
Seriously, the opening words are I want. I don’t know how much more direct it would have to be here.
Noone said it was entirely altruistic, but I’ll give it you for beating that strawman to death. I was initially arguing against the notion that it couldn’t be for her benefit at all. Its called nuance, and relationships take two people. I’m not sure why you jumped to rape, noones getting raped in this meme. Its not even clear the girl is actually refusing him rather than just being funny.
Getting pleasure from providing pleasure does not negate that its still providing pleasure for someone else.
If they didn’t ask for it, and don’t want it, it’s not ‘giving’ the other person anything. This is how a lot of sexual assault works; the rapist tells the other person they’re enjoying it and does things like this, and then goes ‘well I did (whatever act) for them, so I’m the good guy here.’ This idea that performing oral/touching the other person/etc without direct stimulation back is entirely about the person receiving is false, has always been false, and will continue to be false. This is dangerous ground we’re on here, and we’re better than this.
Seriously, the opening words are I want. I don’t know how much more direct it would have to be here.
Noone said it was entirely altruistic, but I’ll give it you for beating that strawman to death. I was initially arguing against the notion that it couldn’t be for her benefit at all. Its called nuance, and relationships take two people. I’m not sure why you jumped to rape, noones getting raped in this meme. Its not even clear the girl is actually refusing him rather than just being funny.