I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned [email protected] from [email protected] earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from [email protected] for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate [email protected], but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you’re actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.
Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.
I love how being a liberal is looked down on for some reason.
“For some reason.”
That’s what my previous comment said.
We’re trying to make the world a better and more peaceful place instead of just sitting out votes.
I voted in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, every year I was legally able to vote, I even registered early when I was 17 in California. I can gladly give you proof I voted in every election I can because my state has ballot tracking.
And is it a better and more peaceful place when liberal status quo protects the companies that socially murder its citizens? Punishment of shoplifting is accepted more than trying to arrest Trump and the Jan 6 attackers? Cops can beat up protestors but not protect families from being evicted by greedy landlords?
Liberals haven’t pushed for the rights of my kind. Liberals defend oppressing my kind because it was normal to hate queer people until recently. Liberal politicians didn’t push for legalization unless it was good for polling numbers. But they gladly sat with their ass on their hands while cops arrested and killed queer people for being happy with themselves.
And I would get into how liberals didn’t push for women’s rights, breaking segregation, ending wars, ending slavery, but I’m not someone who was targeted by them. Liberals don’t stand for what’s right, just what’s currently accepted.
It’s the party of the status quo, even if the status quo includes elements of fascism and oligarchy.
Liberals will soon whitewash Trump, like they whitewashed Bush and his crimes and violations of the constitution.
Whoever downvoted this is delusional.
Biden inherited a shitshow and did some good while in the office.
I don’t agree with his stance on Israel and Palestine but I can almost promise you that it’s going to get worse for the Palestinians while the fascism and oligarchy is already getting out of control.
In reality Trump and Biden/Kamala are both perceived as being terrible candidates. The public thinks it doesn’t matter too much which one they vote for, they are just gonna continue to get fucked over by the rich and powerful no matter what. Fact is, both major US parties primarily represent the interests of capital, not the interests of the public who are just grist to the mill of capitalism. Yes, there is the matter of the degree to which each party capitulates to the rich and powerful, but they are both all-in on it.
Its true the Democrats have been more progressive than the Republicans on certain social issues, but only where those issues were no threat to the status quo. But the moment progressivism butts up against the interests of capital, it loses. Just look at how universal basic income is going, or housing the homeless, or universal free healthcare and education is going. Anything that requires a shift of capital from the rich to the poor is immediately off the table whether the Republicans or Democrats are in power. But allowing gay marriage (for example) cost the Democrats nothing, so why wouldn’t they support it? And it doesn’t give them the moral high ground either, because they only conceded it begrudgingly after dragging their heels until it looked like it wouldn’t negatively impact the vote.
I agree with you that things will get worse under Trump, but then they will continue to get worse under the next government too if all we have to choose from is oligarchy extra strength or oligarchy normal strength.
All the points you bring up are going to get worse because Trump is in power.
“But trump” - The only point liberals have
Is what I said wrong, though?
This is a genuine question, not some sorta gotcha or anything. What’s your opinion on the “enlightened centrist” style of centrists in the US? The sort of people that say things like “both the Democrats and Republicans are too extreme.”
Those aren’t centrists. They’re right-wing.
Yeah but that’s kinda the point. Liberalism is also right-wing compared to leftists, and even on it’s own is pretty firmly center to slighly right of center. Left of center only really happens at social democracies, and they’re still not super far left. Obviously someone in the middle of the Democrats and Republicans will also be right-wing, since neither party is actually left of center and the Republicans are currently so far right.
The Democrats are a deeply flawed party but if people can look the the Republicans and still put both parties in the same category I don’t know what to say to them.
It seems like the democratic party has become the illusion of choice. The last guy running the party was a corporate lobbyist who just recently left after the election. The new top runner just said not all billionaires are bad. Of course it requires a lot of money to run an election, so politicians are more worried about large donors than the majority of people. That means that Democrats that support corporate interests win primaries. The majority of people who vote for Democrats want free healthcare and free college and more regulations accountability for businesses and higher taxes for the wealthy. It’s not going to happen when some MBA is running the show.
So basically basically Republicans are super harmful to a ton of people and meeting in the the middle of democrats and republicans is still bad, and compromising on certain issues by doing that sort of meet in the middle approach still hurts people right? Don’t want to put words in your mouth or anything like that.
Anarchists or other very left-wing people have basically the same opinion on liberalism. It’s a very middle of the road ideology that’s favors incremental progress but doesn’t really make real change on its own, that normally has to be fought for outside the system. The Democrats are less immediately harmful to people, but neither party really does anything big enough to truly help people in a meaningful way and things have been slowly getting worse over time. And just like there are a bunch of policies you wouldn’t want to meet in the middle of, there are a bunch of things liberalism supports that are meeting in the middle of something very harmful.
I think the other big thing is the prevalence of the idea that voting for a representative is the most important thing you can do that also wears on people. Whether or not Trump or Harris won, over half the US states are unsafe for trans people, especially kids. Sure things are obviously worse with Trump, but either way for a lot of trans people things have been bad and getting worse for a long time. Same with food insecurity, housing costs, immigration, etc. All of these issues wouldn’t have meaningfully improved much with the tiny concessions that Democrats offered, and most would continue getting largely ignored until a Republican takes office and can be blamed.
I’m not saying the parties are the same, one moves us in this negative direction much faster which I why I’ve basically voted D every time I could, but voting is at most the minimum you should do. Building aid networks and horizontal power and networks to protect queer people or immigrants are all things that need to happen no matter who is in power because either way compromises and the slow advance of capitalism continues to hurt more and more people.
None of this is a person attack against you or anything either, but the way you don’t like Republicans for being too far right or centrists for being too middle of the road with fascism/the Republican party are the same basic reasons leftists dislike liberalism.
I think you misunderstood my comment if you got all of that from it.
I agree that there is a long way to go for trans people but it is getting better slowly.
Remember that the punchline in the first Ace Ventura was the trans lady?
I think we both might have misinterpreted each other a bit then. I didn’t really mean a person who said the parties were the same, but someone who says they’re extreme in opposite directions and I think you misunderstood it as the opposite, so I should have clarified a bit.
But regardless, sure, socially stuff like trans acceptance is generally improving, but that’s not really a result of Democrats or their policies, that’s a result of LGBTQ people fighting against hate and society at large becoming more accepting. No policy is responsible for increasing social acceptance, it’s the other way around. Like another user said as well, it’s only socially progressive policies that tend to recieve that treatment too, never big economic reforms. Plus that support only lasts as long as its thought politically favorable, as evidenced by the fact that in the wake of Kamala losing the DNC has been trying to push a narrative that it’s because the party is too socially progressive. The alternative is the DNC admitting that neoliberalism is unpopular, so throwing a minority under the bus is much preferable.
Economically, things haven’t been getting better for a long time. Food insecurity is extremely high right now, same with rent/housing, the climate is fucked, going go a hosptial can put you in debt for life, and corporations keep amassing more and more money and power. That process speeds up under Republicans sure, but it hasn’t been improving much for anyone but the already wealthy under Dems either.
But either way, even if the Democrats wanted to change things the system makes that basically impossible. Trying to change a system only by participating in it is just kinda a flawed idea in the first place, but that’s how liberalism does things.
Most of my blocklist is .world members, some shitjustworks, some hexbear, some .ml. And then there’s some members from a libertarian instance I never remember.
It doesn’t help that .world is the biggest one, but it feels every single smug asshole who wants to put you on their “internet arguments won comp #13” collection is from .world