• Jesus
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    43 days ago

    Yes, but to do this individual Californians would all have to stop paying federal income taxes.

    • @Madison420
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      133 days ago

      No they would need to pay them into bonds to comply with the Spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. When the federal government represents California again the bonds can be released.

      • Jesus
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        23 days ago

        Sure, but if individuals don’t pay the IRS, they can do all sort of shit, including garnishing your wages.

        • @Madison420
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          73 days ago

          They could certainly try but that requires actual enforcement and California has the economic power.

          • Jesus
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            13 days ago

            Sure, but they can just target businesses with 668 form to garnish wages of employees, and if businesses don’t comply, they can fuck with the businesses ability to conduct national or international business.

            • @Madison420
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              103 days ago

              California has its own ports, national guard and most of the United States naval power for that side of the planet. Again they can try, it’s all well and good to say on paper but once red states light up in unrest because the government tap shuts off things get real unpredictable real fast.

              • Jesus
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                -23 days ago

                The national guard is the federal reserve military and Trump can override any governor’s whenever. And given that the armed services tend to swing Republican, having them commit mass insubordination seems unlikely.

                  • Jesus
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                    12 days ago

                    Just to clarify, I’m not arguing in support of CA withholding taxes or trying to obstruct with the guard. I’m arguing that both of those ideas are terrible and riddled with holes. But you’re right, those ideas are also dangerous.

                • @Madison420
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                  73 days ago

                  No. The national guard was a compromise to remove militias and this a large part of state autonomy. They are beholden to the state first and the federal government second, the national guard can be called by the president and a governor can refuse the order or recall troops if the order is contrary to “actual service of the United States”.

                  Similarly military forces don’t actually swing hard right, they’re center right I’ll agree there.

                  • Jesus
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                    -33 days ago

                    Trump would just do what Eisenhower did in the late 50’s - use the Insurrection Act to federalize the Guard.

                    I’m all for a way to stick it to Trump, but not paying taxes doesn’t have an easy solution. The collection is done per person / household, enforcement can easily be done nationally by garnishing wages, and the guard can’t stop that.