I think he’s implying that once you complete your genocide it kind of comes to a natural end. It’s the worst way to end genocide because you killed everyone.
The Nazis had a few ideas for the “Final Solution” of the Jews. The end goal being get them out of the Reich. They tried to send them to Palestine (then under British control) which is a big part of why were stuck with Israel and its fuckery today. Seriously, there was some cooperation between the Jewish militant groups in Palestine and the Nazis. It is seriously a fucked up situation. But, forcing the Jews out of the country didn’t work very well so the Nazis started rounding up and killing them.
Seriously, there was some cooperation between the Jewish militant groups in Palestine and the Nazis.
Guess who was in a Jewish militant group in British-occupied Palestine?
Netanyahu’s parents. They changed their name from something Polish to the much more semitic Netanyahu and emigrated in Palestine in the 1920s with the express idea of creating a Jewish state.
Netanyahu and his family did not suffer from the Holocaust, they benefited from it.
Far too few people know and I don’t blame them or you for not knowing because it’s in Netanyahu’s interest to make people think he’s also a victim and the ever-compliant media plays along.
The only reason I even know is that one day I decided to look up his family and see what happened to them during WWII. So if I hadn’t, sort of on a whim, taken the initiative to look it up, I would be as in the dark about it as most people.
And I wish there were a way for me to let people know beyond “talk about it on internet forums,” but I don’t have that sort of influence.
It’s not even a widely known fact amongst Jews. For the record, I was raised Jewish (don’t really practice, not a big organized religion fan anyways) and I went on birthright back in January '20. Nothing was ever mentioned about the Netanyahu history aside from some stuff about his brother, who is widely regarded over there as a war hero. I know there’s a bit of controversy over his death but not sure on details. I should really go research that.
In mitigation, much of that “cooperation” was in convincing (bribing) Nazis to send Jews to Israel rather than murdering them.
And it’s worth keeping in mind that there were many Zionist groups operating in Palestine at the time, ranging from inclusive socialist idealists to full-scale ethno-religious chauvinists committing acts of terror against the British and the Palestinians.
Iirc, they also sent them into a bunch of countries in a lot of the EU, which worked alright…until they started occupying most of the EU countries then they went into “the final solution”
Actually, concentration camps came very early. And the Nazis were very open about these concentration camps, because they figured they would serve as a deterrent. However, they weren’t initially used to house Jewish people, but mostly for political opponents, like socialists. Later came the intellectuals, journalists, teachers, scientists, etc. And of course other undesirables like gay people.
Extermination camps, however, were a relatively late addition. And they were kept secret. The systemic extermination of Jewish people began after the Wannsee Conference in 1942, where Nazi leadership discussed the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem. Under Operation Reinhard they started building the six extermination camps:
Aside from smaller efforts to deport Jewish people to a bunch of different countries, they also came up with what is basically the first ‘Final Solution’ - one of deportation, not extermination: The Madagascar Plan.
They were going to round up and sent all the Jewish people to Madagascar. But well, they failed to defeat the British and when they realized that an invasion of GB was pretty much impossible, they kind of gave up on it.
A lot of people associate Nazis with extermination camps (which, well obviously it’s true), but extermination was never Plan A for Nazis. They never cared if Jewish people died, but initially they just wanted to get rid of undesirables/Jewish people, not necessarily kill them all. The industrialized genocide came much later, more out of desperation and a need for efficiency than anything else.
This just to say that bullshit arguments like “he’s not a fascist/Nazi because he’s not gassing people” are exactly that: bullshit arguments. Nazis were Nazis long before the first extermination camp was built.
Tbd, it is one way to stop a genocide. Literally the worst one, but it would stop.
No, fucking stop. Ethnic cleansing is genocide. Period.
Or was the Naqba not genocidal?
I think he’s implying that once you complete your genocide it kind of comes to a natural end. It’s the worst way to end genocide because you killed everyone.
Wasn’t it literally plan A for the Nazis?
The Nazis had a few ideas for the “Final Solution” of the Jews. The end goal being get them out of the Reich. They tried to send them to Palestine (then under British control) which is a big part of why were stuck with Israel and its fuckery today. Seriously, there was some cooperation between the Jewish militant groups in Palestine and the Nazis. It is seriously a fucked up situation. But, forcing the Jews out of the country didn’t work very well so the Nazis started rounding up and killing them.
Guess who was in a Jewish militant group in British-occupied Palestine?
Netanyahu’s parents. They changed their name from something Polish to the much more semitic Netanyahu and emigrated in Palestine in the 1920s with the express idea of creating a Jewish state.
Netanyahu and his family did not suffer from the Holocaust, they benefited from it.
Ugh. I knew they were an old family, just didn’t know it was that bad.
Far too few people know and I don’t blame them or you for not knowing because it’s in Netanyahu’s interest to make people think he’s also a victim and the ever-compliant media plays along.
The only reason I even know is that one day I decided to look up his family and see what happened to them during WWII. So if I hadn’t, sort of on a whim, taken the initiative to look it up, I would be as in the dark about it as most people.
And I wish there were a way for me to let people know beyond “talk about it on internet forums,” but I don’t have that sort of influence.
It’s not even a widely known fact amongst Jews. For the record, I was raised Jewish (don’t really practice, not a big organized religion fan anyways) and I went on birthright back in January '20. Nothing was ever mentioned about the Netanyahu history aside from some stuff about his brother, who is widely regarded over there as a war hero. I know there’s a bit of controversy over his death but not sure on details. I should really go research that.
I’m also a non-religious Jew, so yeah, I get that.
Hmmm, but certainly this time it’ll work.
In mitigation, much of that “cooperation” was in convincing (bribing) Nazis to send Jews to Israel rather than murdering them.
And it’s worth keeping in mind that there were many Zionist groups operating in Palestine at the time, ranging from inclusive socialist idealists to full-scale ethno-religious chauvinists committing acts of terror against the British and the Palestinians.
Iirc, they also sent them into a bunch of countries in a lot of the EU, which worked alright…until they started occupying most of the EU countries then they went into “the final solution”
Thank you, yes. By the time they settled on concentration camps, the Nazis where on like the Final Final Final Solution
Actually, concentration camps came very early. And the Nazis were very open about these concentration camps, because they figured they would serve as a deterrent. However, they weren’t initially used to house Jewish people, but mostly for political opponents, like socialists. Later came the intellectuals, journalists, teachers, scientists, etc. And of course other undesirables like gay people.
Extermination camps, however, were a relatively late addition. And they were kept secret. The systemic extermination of Jewish people began after the Wannsee Conference in 1942, where Nazi leadership discussed the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem. Under Operation Reinhard they started building the six extermination camps:
The first 4 camps were built specifically and solely to kill people.
Aside from smaller efforts to deport Jewish people to a bunch of different countries, they also came up with what is basically the first ‘Final Solution’ - one of deportation, not extermination: The Madagascar Plan.
They were going to round up and sent all the Jewish people to Madagascar. But well, they failed to defeat the British and when they realized that an invasion of GB was pretty much impossible, they kind of gave up on it.
A lot of people associate Nazis with extermination camps (which, well obviously it’s true), but extermination was never Plan A for Nazis. They never cared if Jewish people died, but initially they just wanted to get rid of undesirables/Jewish people, not necessarily kill them all. The industrialized genocide came much later, more out of desperation and a need for efficiency than anything else.
This just to say that bullshit arguments like “he’s not a fascist/Nazi because he’s not gassing people” are exactly that: bullshit arguments. Nazis were Nazis long before the first extermination camp was built.