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“If the purges [of potential voters], challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.”
"[…] Democracy can win* despite the 2.3% suppression headwind.
And that’s our job as Americans: to end the purges, the vigilante challenges, the ballot rejections and the attitude that this is all somehow OK."
This conversation is so frustrating to witness. Particularly because I remember you were such a strong proponent of Harris though the election cycle, which suggest you have political sense enough to care and know things are bad, but now that the cards are different your plan is to disconnect and feel hopeless? If you truly believe that America is a fascist dictatorship, and realize that we have the largest military in the world, don’t you feel moral imperative to at least try? If the solution you were striving for didn’t work, why is your next move give up rather than look to something like black radical thought, which has for much longer being explaining how the solutions to these problems don’t come with ballots.
I literally asked what is suggested people do.
Am I supposed to come up with the answer myself? Because I’m extremely stupid, so that isn’t going to happen. I wish people would realize that.
I feel like this is an obtuse description. There are better ways to ask what should be done that do not read as defeatist if you’re genuine.
No one is expecting you to come up with solutions, that’s why I recommended black radical thought, as these are folks that have been on the front line of fighting and experiencing America’s decent into fascism.
Well I’m sorry I didn’t ask what should be done the right way, but I still have no idea what to be done.
Please tell me how I am supposed to ask what people suggest other than asking them what they suggest.
For fuck’s sake, all I want is an answer. You sure as hell aren’t giving me one.
I can see you’re upset, but genuinely, I think it leads to a better community on lemmy in general to approach with good faith. The point overall being, if you are asking in earnest, and are hoping for answers about what possible way forward we have, I would hope that you recognize that there are better ways to communicate that. I’m sorry it’s upsetting that certain langue is interpreted differently, even if the core is the same, but it’s the reality.
Given that reality, being upfront about your worries and feelings of helplessness is valid and helps to connect rather than dismiss. With that, expressing the lack of knowledge as a personal aspect, rather than framing the exhausting of options you’re aware of as the end of all options, would help show that you are looking for whatever is next.
As for ‘an answer’, it’s not something I can easily give because these are complex issues. The reality is it can’t be distilled down to “Get out and vote” because the problems extend beyond that, and any real answer that match that simplicity would along the lines of “organize” but I assume like me, you’d find that sort of broad advice hollow.
I can’t say what you should do because it depends on your local politics, what you’re able to commit, where your politics sit, and ultimately what you think your place would be in whatever is done. With that I recommend black radical thought because I find it best encompasses the tools needed to learn for the reasons I mentioned. Along side learning, I think reaching out to local political groups for work that can be done would be a great way to see what options and opportunists marginalized folks are making for themselves.
In short, if you fear for the well-being of, black/brown, indigenous, immigrant, queer, or everyone else that will suffer under the coming wave of fascism, do as Mr Rogers says and look for the helpers, and if you can, help them.
Okay, well clearly absolutely nothing I say will ever convince you that I was asking a question I legitimately wanted an answer to, so I guess you’re right. I’m here in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, everything I say is either stupid, wrong or both anyway, even if I just ask a question, so I might as well just agree with you.
Either way, you’ll eventually end up realizing I’m not worth your or anyone else’s time eventually.
This a very self deprecating response, I think you should seek help from a therapist because I don’t think a sober read of this conversation would draw these conclusions. Good luck in your struggles and I hope you find what you need.
They are in a depression spiral and seeking negative validation from others to confirm their own self image. I’ve had pretty bad depression before and this is just that without any self coping mechanisms so it’s straight up negativity to anyone that interacts right now. They want to be the worst so through illusion of their imagination all the worst has already happened.
We are best not engaging. Though you may continue if you want and have the emotional strength to continue on with them.
Yeah, this has pretty quickly devolved, and advice on depression is hard to take from the closest of connections, so I doubt as an internet stranger I will have good luck.
Seek a therapist. Hilarious. As if I had time for a therapist while I’m completely fucking up trying to get my daughter to safety. All I do every day is apply for jobs and try to navigate through the UK bureaucracy and, like everything else, I am failing spectacularly at it.
I won’t need a therapist when I inevitably fail and have to come back to the U.S. and she gets put in a conversion therapy camp. I won’t need anything.
This is not the language of a healthy mind, and the fact that it is showing up in an internet conversation political action, suggests to me this is just the surface of it. If you feel this way, look for mutual aid groups in your area, find community and seek people to connect with that might help. Your daughter deserves to have someone in good mental health fighting for her.