DeepSeek launched a free, open-source large language model in late December, claiming it was developed in just two months at a cost of under $6 million.
It’s Chinese, of course it was cheap. It was likely half stolen and half made by underpaid labor. It is also super censored when you ask it about a lot of topics xijingpooh doesn’t like.
E: Getting my daily dose of social credit downvotes from the CCP shills, haha! Just because you won and own our president doesn’t mean the population will follow suit.
It’s also open source and you can run it locally without a super beefy GPU. The big deal is that it’s super light on resources compared to GPT, while producing comparable results. It’s only a question of time until someone makes a less censored version of it.
Either way, OpenAI is doomed unless they have something up their sleeves.
I am interested to see what the more knowledgeable folks come across when inspecting it and really testing it out. If it is legit, that is a huge step forward against these have-it-all tech bros blighting everything.
I don’t think they would’ve made it open source if they had anything to hide. Now there’s also many eyes on it, so we’ll probably learn soon enough if something is off.
Yup, that gives me hope. Also, I am aggressively anti-CCP, but very pro Chinese, so if the people that made it aren’t being manipulated by the CCP and some of the self-censor is just habit or survival, I get it. They have decent STEM education, if you are the right people, and they are an innovative people.
I’m not sure swapping out one set of tech bros for another set is changing all that much?
I think a lot of the costs of LLMs was always going to drive toward much lower numbers even given the software techniques more or less staying the same, given how the costs of electronics go…I already could run several models on hardware that I bought several years ago.
I do think it holds a lot of promise when properly applied, but yeah, a lot of the speculation is from the usual assholes hoping to “disrupt” things by throwing nearly everyone out of a job. I’m not sure these Chinese tech bros are going to be any more benevolent (in the long term) than the current set in the U.S. OpenAI started as a non-profit…
Chinese product is known for being cheap and their ripoff economy is legendary, but these dolts will cry racism because it makes them feel special (or they are CCP shills from .ml).
Yeah, but we are the sinophobic alarmists…sigh. To be fair, these are the same people that said “but his second term will be fine, we survived the first one”.
Agreed. There is being open-minded and then there is just being completely naive about the political situation when it comes to all things Chinese (I happen to have a very good idea of this from things I’ve found out during my career).
I’ve already downloaded and tried it out, but apparently if you have some reservations about accepting all claims being made without any questions, that’s beyond the pale? LOL, that is one hot take.
It’s Chinese, of course it was cheap. It was likely half stolen and half made by underpaid labor. It is also super censored when you ask it about a lot of topics xijingpooh doesn’t like.
E: Getting my daily dose of social credit downvotes from the CCP shills, haha! Just because you won and own our president doesn’t mean the population will follow suit.
It’s also open source and you can run it locally without a super beefy GPU. The big deal is that it’s super light on resources compared to GPT, while producing comparable results. It’s only a question of time until someone makes a less censored version of it.
Either way, OpenAI is doomed unless they have something up their sleeves.
I am interested to see what the more knowledgeable folks come across when inspecting it and really testing it out. If it is legit, that is a huge step forward against these have-it-all tech bros blighting everything.
I don’t think they would’ve made it open source if they had anything to hide. Now there’s also many eyes on it, so we’ll probably learn soon enough if something is off.
Yup, that gives me hope. Also, I am aggressively anti-CCP, but very pro Chinese, so if the people that made it aren’t being manipulated by the CCP and some of the self-censor is just habit or survival, I get it. They have decent STEM education, if you are the right people, and they are an innovative people.
I’m not sure swapping out one set of tech bros for another set is changing all that much?
I think a lot of the costs of LLMs was always going to drive toward much lower numbers even given the software techniques more or less staying the same, given how the costs of electronics go…I already could run several models on hardware that I bought several years ago.
I do think it holds a lot of promise when properly applied, but yeah, a lot of the speculation is from the usual assholes hoping to “disrupt” things by throwing nearly everyone out of a job. I’m not sure these Chinese tech bros are going to be any more benevolent (in the long term) than the current set in the U.S. OpenAI started as a non-profit…
You’re funny. Because in my country, its the Chinese contractors who say something can’t be done, if they can’t figure out how to do it. Lol.
Downvoted, but I also wonder if their narrative is entirely correct. I mean, this is a Chinese company we are talking about, let’s not kid ourselves…
Twice in this thread, you’ve questioned the honesty of this Chinese company, racist much?
I wonder how much it shakes your western bubble
LOL, it’s not racist to question all the claims being made, especially given the context. JFC.
Chinese product is known for being cheap and their ripoff economy is legendary, but these dolts will cry racism because it makes them feel special (or they are CCP shills from .ml).
Well, it turns out our suspicions were on the mark…gosh, a Chinese company not being forthright? Who would have guessed.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-might-not-be-as-disruptive-as-claimed-firm-reportedly-has-50-000-nvidia-gpus-and-spent-usd1-6-billion-on-buildouts
Yeah, but we are the sinophobic alarmists…sigh. To be fair, these are the same people that said “but his second term will be fine, we survived the first one”.
Agreed. There is being open-minded and then there is just being completely naive about the political situation when it comes to all things Chinese (I happen to have a very good idea of this from things I’ve found out during my career).
I’ve already downloaded and tried it out, but apparently if you have some reservations about accepting all claims being made without any questions, that’s beyond the pale? LOL, that is one hot take.