I’m sure Kamala was going to be exactly the same. /s
Pretty much the only difference is she wouldn’t say it out loud, frankly. She clearly stated she had Israel’s back, regardless of what anyone said. I mean, look at how she reacted to people stating, to her face, that they could not vote for her, due to that.
And what did she do? She doubled down on her support for the genocide.
Fuck off with this nonsense. Kamala would literally push the same policies, just like Joe did. The only difference would be that she’d use vague and hollow language to keep a pretense of humanity up so people could continue pretending that they themselves are not contributing to this atrocity. Your naive picture of mainstream Democrats is why that party continues to be as ineffective as it’s been for 50 years. I welcome all the neoliberal Lemmy downvotes. Assholes.
Interesting how you’re more interested in condemning Biden and Harris for this thing they didn’t do than Trump for doing it. In fact, you seem very unbothered by the actual plan here because the Democrats weren’t involved.
I can’t even blame Russia at this point. These people seriously do not give a shit about this genocide apart from the political points it can score them.
Can’t. I blocked that shithole a long time ago. Have no intention to reverse this decision until the day comes that I start seeing a better quality of people in support of it.
In fact, you seem very unbothered by the actual plan here because the Democrats weren’t involved.
The difference is? Trump didn’t lie about it, he said, outright this is what he was going to do. Harris planned to do the exact same thing, but with a pride flag, and it would have been a woman making the bombs being dropped onto kids.
I will think back to threads like this every time I wonder why Democrats never achieve anything meaningful and the country continues to lurch toward fascism. You all seem to be more interested in team sports than actually having principles and expectations for your own party.
I’m a leftist, and I do not, nor have ever, supported Trump. I just didn’t support the other genocider, either. Because I have principles that I stand on, one of which is “Never give support to genociders”.
Why isn’t Harris’ inaction part of the problem? I mean, she could have said,“You know, genocide is bad, and when I take office, I will end all support for Israel until they agree to an immediate ceasefire?”
She was never President, so we’ll never know. Trump literally said he was going to “finish the problem” but you didn’t see any problems with letting him take office. How do you defend that decision?
We fucking didn’t. Not voting for Kamala isn’t supporting Trump, it’s just rejecting genocide. If democrats passed progressive policy and stopped a genocide, they might have had a chance, but they’d rather lose the elections to a fascist than actually pushing progressive policy.
There were no actual leftists on the ballot in every state that campaigned beyond the election year. Kamala was the realistic option. It’s perfectly reasonable to be conflicted about voting for someone because they’re the lesser of two evils, but there’s nothing rational thinking a leftist or faux leftist candidate that only shows up during election years had a realistic chance of winning.
Exactly, so you make it clear to the democrats in the meanwhile: either you move to the left, or eat shit. They decided to do the latter. Now start blaming them for the loss and move towards organising labour and political orgs
70+ million people decided to show up even though it made them feel bad. I’m going to blame the people who stayed home because voting made them uncomfortable.
Here is my bOtHsIdEs Pikachu face. :|
I’m sure Kamala was going to be exactly the same. /s
Pretty much the only difference is she wouldn’t say it out loud, frankly. She clearly stated she had Israel’s back, regardless of what anyone said. I mean, look at how she reacted to people stating, to her face, that they could not vote for her, due to that.
And what did she do? She doubled down on her support for the genocide.
She was, the only difference is she wouldn’t come out and say it bluntly to the American public.
Fuck off with this nonsense. Kamala would literally push the same policies, just like Joe did. The only difference would be that she’d use vague and hollow language to keep a pretense of humanity up so people could continue pretending that they themselves are not contributing to this atrocity. Your naive picture of mainstream Democrats is why that party continues to be as ineffective as it’s been for 50 years. I welcome all the neoliberal Lemmy downvotes. Assholes.
Interesting how you’re more interested in condemning Biden and Harris for this thing they didn’t do than Trump for doing it. In fact, you seem very unbothered by the actual plan here because the Democrats weren’t involved.
Russian propaganda is a powerful thing.
I can’t even blame Russia at this point. These people seriously do not give a shit about this genocide apart from the political points it can score them.
Go to hexbear’s mutual_aid community, look at the posts there, and tell me again how much more .world cares about palestinians
ROFL! Hexbear.
Go, look
Can’t. I blocked that shithole a long time ago. Have no intention to reverse this decision until the day comes that I start seeing a better quality of people in support of it.
That day is not today.
What does Hexbear have to do with anything?
The difference is? Trump didn’t lie about it, he said, outright this is what he was going to do. Harris planned to do the exact same thing, but with a pride flag, and it would have been a woman making the bombs being dropped onto kids.
You also seem very unbothered by this plan.
I will think back to threads like this every time I wonder why Democrats never achieve anything meaningful and the country continues to lurch toward fascism. You all seem to be more interested in team sports than actually having principles and expectations for your own party.
The “leftists” on here literally supported Trump. Their reason doesn’t matter, they’re fascism-enabling Trump supporters in every way that matters.
If you didn’t vote, or if you didn’t vote for Kamala, you helped Trump get elected. That’s not politics, it’s math.
I’m a leftist, and I do not, nor have ever, supported Trump. I just didn’t support the other genocider, either. Because I have principles that I stand on, one of which is “Never give support to genociders”.
I’m glad you feel good about yourself. Your inaction is part of the problem.
Why isn’t Harris’ inaction part of the problem? I mean, she could have said,“You know, genocide is bad, and when I take office, I will end all support for Israel until they agree to an immediate ceasefire?”
She was never President, so we’ll never know. Trump literally said he was going to “finish the problem” but you didn’t see any problems with letting him take office. How do you defend that decision?
We fucking didn’t. Not voting for Kamala isn’t supporting Trump, it’s just rejecting genocide. If democrats passed progressive policy and stopped a genocide, they might have had a chance, but they’d rather lose the elections to a fascist than actually pushing progressive policy.
There were no actual leftists on the ballot in every state that campaigned beyond the election year. Kamala was the realistic option. It’s perfectly reasonable to be conflicted about voting for someone because they’re the lesser of two evils, but there’s nothing rational thinking a leftist or faux leftist candidate that only shows up during election years had a realistic chance of winning.
There is no “conflicted” on whether or not I should support a genocider. How well do you sleep at night, knowing you supported a genocider?
Who did you support then?
Exactly, so you make it clear to the democrats in the meanwhile: either you move to the left, or eat shit. They decided to do the latter. Now start blaming them for the loss and move towards organising labour and political orgs
70+ million people decided to show up even though it made them feel bad. I’m going to blame the people who stayed home because voting made them uncomfortable.
That is absolutely not an excuse.
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No, just that anyone who doesn’t cut off someone for being a genocider is a neoliberal ghoul.