I always tell them how many hours a week (until recently, for unrelated issues) I have spent sending emails, making phone calls and even visiting politicians’ offices to beg for them to do something about the genocide and ask them if they have even sent one form email or made one phone call.
The closest I got to anyone saying they did anything of actual note was someone who hilariously told me that they couldn’t tell me what they did because it would ruin their anonymity. As if there would be no possible way to put it in general terms.
I even ask them if they ever have talked to a Palestinian about what they think. But of course not. Because they don’t actually care about genocide, they care about berating people and playing political games on the internet.
I’m sorry you lost me there mate. Let’s take them in order
I’m not and have never been a political candidate.
The performative outrage of which I speak is people encouraging that the Democrats be punished despite the explicitly stated desire and highly probable outcome of the Republicans enabling greater atrocities, whilst disregarding the harder and more useful work of pushing individuals to oppose the genocide within the existing system of reality
What is this even meant to mean? This is precisely the performative outrage of which I speak, and it doesn’t even carry semantic weight. It’s just useless pseudo-accusatory sentiment
The performative outrage of which I speak is people encouraging that the Democrats be punished despite the explicitly stated desire and highly probable outcome of the Republicans enabling greater atrocities, whilst disregarding the harder and more useful work of pushing individuals to oppose the genocide within the existing system of reality
How do you push elected reps to not genocide, if there are never repercussions for it, because you’ll still always vote for them?
And what greater atrocities are there than genocide? Its like the one thing the entire world (At one point) agreed on, and called it “Crimes against humanity”…
And now we would not be surprised if Trump builds some beach resorts there once the Palestinians are gone. I hope you are happy with your endorsement of Trump.
Why? The only thing we could do was vote and otherwise pressure the politicians in charge of making decisions. Now that the ones in charge are ultra pro genocide, there’s no shame, no accountability, no way of influencing them at all. All the activist voters on here were warned, but we’re beyond the point of no return. There’s no justice to be had. Y’all ran anyone with a shred of morals out of office and now all we have is ghouls. They will get away with everything and then change history to make themselves the heroes. The Palestinians will be lucky if anyone even remembers they existed a hundred years from now.
The only hope left is that the Republicans manage to fuck up their own plans somehow.
An awful lot of those people are russian bots. But it’s not like you can say that on pro Palestinian spaces, because any comments pointing out how delusional protest voting is or how much worse things are getting because of trump will get removed for racism.
I wasn’t? I literally just said that pointing out that trump is worse for Palestine will get your comment removed from a lot of places. I said nothing at all about Harris voters. Just that lemmy has a fascist/delusional tankie problem.
You won’t, lobbyists will always be louder than voters. It’s a rigged system, but it’s rigged in such a way that you can either fail or fail much harder. Other than that you have protests (which have become a lot more dangerous) and doing a Luigi. But noone cares about a few people not voting out of protest, turnout is extremely low anyway.
The “two parties are the same,” “Genocide Joe” people are literally quibbling about that just to maintain their arguments and it’s depressing.
Well after all, if you argue with them, you’re a genocide supporting liberal troll. Sometimes in all caps, even!
I always tell them how many hours a week (until recently, for unrelated issues) I have spent sending emails, making phone calls and even visiting politicians’ offices to beg for them to do something about the genocide and ask them if they have even sent one form email or made one phone call.
The closest I got to anyone saying they did anything of actual note was someone who hilariously told me that they couldn’t tell me what they did because it would ruin their anonymity. As if there would be no possible way to put it in general terms.
I even ask them if they ever have talked to a Palestinian about what they think. But of course not. Because they don’t actually care about genocide, they care about berating people and playing political games on the internet.
Performative outrage is so much easier than working towards real change though!
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You mean like being outraged people are unwilling to vote for you, because you fully endorsed a genocide?
Or the performative outage at the genocide now, that was somehow “Just a practical necessity” just about 30 days ago?
If genocide support wasn’t your bright line before, why is it suddenly your bright line?
I’m sorry you lost me there mate. Let’s take them in order
I’m not and have never been a political candidate.
The performative outrage of which I speak is people encouraging that the Democrats be punished despite the explicitly stated desire and highly probable outcome of the Republicans enabling greater atrocities, whilst disregarding the harder and more useful work of pushing individuals to oppose the genocide within the existing system of reality
What is this even meant to mean? This is precisely the performative outrage of which I speak, and it doesn’t even carry semantic weight. It’s just useless pseudo-accusatory sentiment
How do you push elected reps to not genocide, if there are never repercussions for it, because you’ll still always vote for them?
And what greater atrocities are there than genocide? Its like the one thing the entire world (At one point) agreed on, and called it “Crimes against humanity”…
Well, let me assure you, I’ve done more than just phone calls and emails. However, I cannot admit to them publicly.
That’s a real cop-out and you know it. You could say something extremely general, but you won’t, because you haven’t done a thing.
I’ve done something extremely general.
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Why do you think I voted for the people I contacted? Can you provide some evidence please?
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Yes, I know your think my view that people should care more about Palestinian genocide than American politics are wrong. I’m just not sure why.
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Fuck these people, really. What did they think would happen with Trump?
They don’t care. They have never cared. This thread makes that abundantly clear.
They’re narcissists. They only care about how they look.
They thought he would pull support for Ukraine and let Russia keep what they’d taken.
After all, that’s what they asked him to do.
The same thing that happened under Biden, and would have happened under Harris.
And now we would not be surprised if Trump builds some beach resorts there once the Palestinians are gone. I hope you are happy with your endorsement of Trump.
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So then maybe let’s not even worry about which American politician is worse and worry about the Palestinians.
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Why? The only thing we could do was vote and otherwise pressure the politicians in charge of making decisions. Now that the ones in charge are ultra pro genocide, there’s no shame, no accountability, no way of influencing them at all. All the activist voters on here were warned, but we’re beyond the point of no return. There’s no justice to be had. Y’all ran anyone with a shred of morals out of office and now all we have is ghouls. They will get away with everything and then change history to make themselves the heroes. The Palestinians will be lucky if anyone even remembers they existed a hundred years from now.
The only hope left is that the Republicans manage to fuck up their own plans somehow.
Aren’t there fewer gazans being exterminated now than 1 month ago?
God damn, I mean technically, you’re right.
Yeah and at this rate, soon enough Israel will completely run out of Gazans to exterminate!
I wholeheartedly agree in the anti-genocidal sentiment, and I’ve personally been engaged in protests against it.
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An awful lot of those people are russian bots. But it’s not like you can say that on pro Palestinian spaces, because any comments pointing out how delusional protest voting is or how much worse things are getting because of trump will get removed for racism.
Hi I voted for Harris and am pro Palestinian, stop repeating the lie that we are all like this.
I wasn’t? I literally just said that pointing out that trump is worse for Palestine will get your comment removed from a lot of places. I said nothing at all about Harris voters. Just that lemmy has a fascist/delusional tankie problem.
How do you propose the voters try to push their representatives to actually represent them, if there’s never a repercussion to the representative?
You won’t, lobbyists will always be louder than voters. It’s a rigged system, but it’s rigged in such a way that you can either fail or fail much harder. Other than that you have protests (which have become a lot more dangerous) and doing a Luigi. But noone cares about a few people not voting out of protest, turnout is extremely low anyway.
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