Part of their marketing seems to be to create confusion about it. Bluesky uses the language and values of the fediverse to promote what is essentially another closed network. Meta is also doing this with Threads. Bluesky seems like a chill place and a lot of decent people seem to be very happy there, and they provide a lot more user controls than other networks, so the comic definitely still works.
It sort of depends on how you define fediverse. If you mean things using the ActivityPub protocol and are federated with Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. then no, it’s not part of the fediverse. If you mean anything using federated technology then you could possibly include it. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture It uses something called AT instead of ActivityPub. I’m not personally aware of any other services or instances using it, but I also didn’t look very hard.
Edit: I learned that the term AT Protocol uses for their version of fediverse is “atmosphere”. So I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s part of the fediverse, but the context of the usage matters.
Edit: After digging in a bit, I believe the thing most people would consider as “running an instance” would be an appview and/or relay. Both of which they claim are ready, I just haven’t seen any. I think that part of the disconnect is that in ActivityPub the roles of what AT Protocol calls PDS, Relay, and AppView are all handled by a single instance. A PDS stores canonical data, a Relay aggregates PDSes, and an AppView is a UI reading from a relay.
It sort of sounds like they’re trying to “have their cake and eat it too.” It will be interesting to see where things go with it. I hope they choose to be more open with federating instead of trying to become Centralized Twitter 2.0.
BlueSky does not support federation in any way that we understand the word.
It is 100% reliant on the corporate server(s). They do offer a way to host your own data, which solves a singular problem with corporate media, which seems to be what they mean when they promote it “supporting federation.” Is also has an open codebase, which is something.
As an aside, I have read in some places that self-hosting is very straightforward, and in other places that it is prohibitively difficult. I have basically no idea about any of these things.
Well, bluesky isn’t the fediverse, but the point stands.
I’m ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification
I think Mastodon would be what you’re looking for.
Bluesy is a business, Mastodon is a community tool that runs on the ActivityPub (same as Lemmy which is what we are talkin on).
Part of their marketing seems to be to create confusion about it. Bluesky uses the language and values of the fediverse to promote what is essentially another closed network. Meta is also doing this with Threads. Bluesky seems like a chill place and a lot of decent people seem to be very happy there, and they provide a lot more user controls than other networks, so the comic definitely still works.
It sort of depends on how you define fediverse. If you mean things using the ActivityPub protocol and are federated with Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. then no, it’s not part of the fediverse. If you mean anything using federated technology then you could possibly include it. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture It uses something called AT instead of ActivityPub. I’m not personally aware of any other services or instances using it, but I also didn’t look very hard.
Edit: I learned that the term AT Protocol uses for their version of fediverse is “atmosphere”. So I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s part of the fediverse, but the context of the usage matters.
Right, but you can’t run your own instance so there’s nothing to federate with.
https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting
Edit: After digging in a bit, I believe the thing most people would consider as “running an instance” would be an appview and/or relay. Both of which they claim are ready, I just haven’t seen any. I think that part of the disconnect is that in ActivityPub the roles of what AT Protocol calls PDS, Relay, and AppView are all handled by a single instance. A PDS stores canonical data, a Relay aggregates PDSes, and an AppView is a UI reading from a relay.
https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds?tab=readme-ov-file#what-is-the-current-status-of-federation
That lets you host your own data. You cannot host an instance. You must use the Bluesky app with your PDS.
What’s preventing you from running your own Relay and/or AppView?
From what I’ve read, that’s not possible, at least not yet. Currently, everything must go through their relay and it will only “federate” with PDS’
It sort of sounds like they’re trying to “have their cake and eat it too.” It will be interesting to see where things go with it. I hope they choose to be more open with federating instead of trying to become Centralized Twitter 2.0.
I haven’t looked deep into AT stuff tbh.
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You’re correct. But blue sky does support federation, just not the same protocol as the fediverse, right?
Federation with what?
BlueSky does not support federation in any way that we understand the word.
It is 100% reliant on the corporate server(s). They do offer a way to host your own data, which solves a singular problem with corporate media, which seems to be what they mean when they promote it “supporting federation.” Is also has an open codebase, which is something.
As an aside, I have read in some places that self-hosting is very straightforward, and in other places that it is prohibitively difficult. I have basically no idea about any of these things.