You consider it even remotely appropriate to let an insurrectionist stand for election? A literal traitor to the republic? Allowing him on the ballot was, I think, a crucial failure of democratic norms. One of many.
Just as legality is not the same as morality, winning an election in a critically dysfunctional democracy is not a mandate to rule as a king.
They’re beginning to learn, too late, that the only thing keeping democracy in America is its norms. Voters were offered an insane question that should never have been asked.
Biden isn’t responsible for any of that though. The courts should have stopped Trump nothis oppenent in the election
edit: To all thinking Biden could or should have directly intervened to prevent Trump from running how do you think he can legally do so without being seen as a dictator?
Be careful when you fight monsters. Biden was fucked either way if I’m being honest, I’d even bet a handful of cash that a prominent Dem, perhaps even Biden, gets merked within two years.
Being a poltical opposition shouldnt be a shield from consequences. Anyone else, he would have been labeled a terrorist and sent off to gitmo. But i guess US has always been a veil democracy anyway, so im not really suprised once the remaining illusions eroded away.
What could poor little Biden do? He’s just the President!
Fucking put a black bag over Trump’s head and execute him with a shotgun engraved with the words “Official Acts” for one thing, that’s what he could have done.
Biden could have used an “official act” to prove a point. He’s old and could have made the sacrifice for the greater good since by the time the courts were done he is on his death bed. Would have been interesting to watch.
Because typically tax evasion is not handled by Congress. Surely you realized that it was really weird that Congress was looking into misdemeanor criminal violations.
I find it weird, yes. I guess I just don’t care about what’s weird or not anymore since weird actions have very real results.
its only going to get weirder. nobody on the left wants to be painted as the person who overstepped societal norms they shouldnt have in order to keep crazy in check.
A great deal of the things congress seems to investigate are stupid. Like the whole baseball and steroids thing. And most of the rest of their investigations are dog and pony shows.
There aren’t many if any cases of them targeting an individual citizen with zero role in government over simple crimes.
This was done because the GOP is a clown show and needs to put on spectacles to entertain their supporters. Hunter Biden shoukd have been in a court like any other private citizen.
Baseball and steroids was a pet issue for GWB as I recall and if I recall correctly he woukd have pursued that had he become commissioner instead of POTUS.
The wonderful US democracy is based on a DNC calculating that Jan 6th makes Trump the best opponent to keep around, before deciding after Oct 7th, that they should help elect him for Israel.
Biden decided a longer than 4 year investigation without charges was the move. If smith filed charges on some, but not all the crimes Trump committed, courts would have had something to go off of to bar him from running.
Except it wouldn’t be, since he was not a political opponent after jan 6th. He also absolutely had a role, the idea the head of the executive branch doesn’t control the doj is and always has been an open lie. The existence of pot shops in legal states is the most obvious proof of that.
The elected leader in a democratic republic like the USA cannot stop candidates from running without becoming a dictator. This is intro level poli sci stuff.
There is a difference between permitting states to decriminalize cannabis and electoral interference.
They actually can, it’s called doing their job and charging the individual with high crimes against the US that they’ve committed. There’s no difference between a presidential candidate and a citizen.
No it isn’t. It is inappropriate for any candidate to utilize their office to prevent opposition. That is how authoritarian societies work not democratic republics. You should have been taught this in secondary/high school (ages 14-18 if you aren’t American).
How would you react if Trump had banned Bernie Sanders ir Biden from running in 2020 over perceived charges? Do you not see how easily misused that power would be?
The DOJ lead by the USAG should handle the prosecution without input from POTUS. That is what happened.
What you are suggesting is the kind of clownish fantasy that would get you laughed out of any courtroom. That’s how failed democracies work. That is not how systems should work. You are literally advocating corruption.
The norms you’re citing are all perfectly correct - but no democracy can survive if these norms are able to protect literal traitors. The fact that a coup was attempted should have resulted in swift and frightfully intense penalties for all involved. Unhung traitors poison republics.
Advocating for suspected criminals to face charges and go to trial in a timely manner is authoritarian.
Well that’s just absolutely ridiculous. I sincerely hope you understand this is why Trump won and why the US won’t exist by the end of the decade. Please don’t fuck up something so simple in your next country.
You consider it even remotely appropriate to let an insurrectionist stand for election? A literal traitor to the republic? Allowing him on the ballot was, I think, a crucial failure of democratic norms. One of many.
Just as legality is not the same as morality, winning an election in a critically dysfunctional democracy is not a mandate to rule as a king.
They’re beginning to learn, too late, that the only thing keeping democracy in America is its norms. Voters were offered an insane question that should never have been asked.
Biden isn’t responsible for any of that though. The courts should have stopped Trump nothis oppenent in the election
edit: To all thinking Biden could or should have directly intervened to prevent Trump from running how do you think he can legally do so without being seen as a dictator?
The CIA has toppled democracies around the world. So its bullshit to say the president has his hands tied…
If a leader utilizes the intelligence agencies to put down opposition politicians then they are an authoritarian dictator. Biden isn’t that stupid.
Be careful when you fight monsters. Biden was fucked either way if I’m being honest, I’d even bet a handful of cash that a prominent Dem, perhaps even Biden, gets merked within two years.
Youre right. Should just let a traitor waltz in and be the authoritarian dictator. We’ll just put Biden in the history book beside Hindenburg.
So your solution to prevent an authoritarian dictatorship is for Biden to become an authoritarian dictator?
Te courts are the check against this.
The same courts that gave immunity to the president for “official acts”?
Yes the same courts that did that. POTUS shouldn’t be preventing the opposition from running candidates.
Being a poltical opposition shouldnt be a shield from consequences. Anyone else, he would have been labeled a terrorist and sent off to gitmo. But i guess US has always been a veil democracy anyway, so im not really suprised once the remaining illusions eroded away.
He is responsible for Merrick Fucking Garland.
And Garland dropped the ball not Biden.
It’s weird how many people are advocating for authoritarian actions.
Lol
What could poor little Biden do? He’s just the President!
Fucking put a black bag over Trump’s head and execute him with a shotgun engraved with the words “Official Acts” for one thing, that’s what he could have done.
I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post
Biden could have used an “official act” to prove a point. He’s old and could have made the sacrifice for the greater good since by the time the courts were done he is on his death bed. Would have been interesting to watch.
by not giving a shit about optics in the same way he bailed his son out. who cares if people see him as a dictator?
Pardoning his son from witch-hunts by the GOP isn’t dictatorial.Legally preventing the opposition from running candidates is absolutely dictatorial.
pardoning witch hunts? hunter avoided paying taxes and got caught. why should he not pay the price for his crime?
Because typically tax evasion is not handled by Congress. Surely you realized that it was really weird that Congress was looking into misdemeanor criminal violations.
I find it weird, yes. I guess I just don’t care about what’s weird or not anymore since weird actions have very real results.
its only going to get weirder. nobody on the left wants to be painted as the person who overstepped societal norms they shouldnt have in order to keep crazy in check.
oh well! what are ya gonna do lol
A great deal of the things congress seems to investigate are stupid. Like the whole baseball and steroids thing. And most of the rest of their investigations are dog and pony shows.
There aren’t many if any cases of them targeting an individual citizen with zero role in government over simple crimes.
This was done because the GOP is a clown show and needs to put on spectacles to entertain their supporters. Hunter Biden shoukd have been in a court like any other private citizen.
Baseball and steroids was a pet issue for GWB as I recall and if I recall correctly he woukd have pursued that had he become commissioner instead of POTUS.
The wonderful US democracy is based on a DNC calculating that Jan 6th makes Trump the best opponent to keep around, before deciding after Oct 7th, that they should help elect him for Israel.
Biden decided a longer than 4 year investigation without charges was the move. If smith filed charges on some, but not all the crimes Trump committed, courts would have had something to go off of to bar him from running.
Biden had no role in that investigation as it would be extremely inappropriate for him to do so.
Except it wouldn’t be, since he was not a political opponent after jan 6th. He also absolutely had a role, the idea the head of the executive branch doesn’t control the doj is and always has been an open lie. The existence of pot shops in legal states is the most obvious proof of that.
The elected leader in a democratic republic like the USA cannot stop candidates from running without becoming a dictator. This is intro level poli sci stuff.
There is a difference between permitting states to decriminalize cannabis and electoral interference.
They actually can, it’s called doing their job and charging the individual with high crimes against the US that they’ve committed. There’s no difference between a presidential candidate and a citizen.
No it isn’t. It is inappropriate for any candidate to utilize their office to prevent opposition. That is how authoritarian societies work not democratic republics. You should have been taught this in secondary/high school (ages 14-18 if you aren’t American).
How would you react if Trump had banned Bernie Sanders ir Biden from running in 2020 over perceived charges? Do you not see how easily misused that power would be?
The DOJ lead by the USAG should handle the prosecution without input from POTUS. That is what happened.
What you are suggesting is the kind of clownish fantasy that would get you laughed out of any courtroom. That’s how failed democracies work. That is not how systems should work. You are literally advocating corruption.
The norms you’re citing are all perfectly correct - but no democracy can survive if these norms are able to protect literal traitors. The fact that a coup was attempted should have resulted in swift and frightfully intense penalties for all involved. Unhung traitors poison republics.
Advocating for suspected criminals to face charges and go to trial in a timely manner is authoritarian.
Well that’s just absolutely ridiculous. I sincerely hope you understand this is why Trump won and why the US won’t exist by the end of the decade. Please don’t fuck up something so simple in your next country.