ID: WookieeMark @EvilGenXer posted:

"OK so look, Capitalism is right wing.

Period.

If you are pro-capitalism, you are Right Wing.

There is no pro-capitalist Left. That’s a polite fiction in the US that no one can afford any longer as the ecosystem is actually collapsing around us."

  • @[email protected]
    7•6 hours ago

    You’re getting close, but you’re still not quite there. The solution isn’t to address all of the concerns of all the ideologies since that would be impossible. The solution is for people to realize that ideology is the problem. When we get to the point where we realize capitalism and socialism are tools that are good for different purposes we could have a healthy economy and we’d all be prosperous. But as long as we continue think in ideological terms which centers around creating false dichotomies that prevent us from using the best tool for the job we’re always going to be living in a failed economy.

    We’d be no better off living in a failed socialist economy run by the ideology obsessed than we are living in a capitalist economy run by the ideology obsessed.

    In the end politics is always tribal, ideologies are just rationalizations made by a tribe to make them feel like they’re the rational ones while the other tribes aren’t. It’s all bullshit.

    • @AeonFelisEnglish
      2•5 hours ago

      The solution isn’t to address all of the concerns of all the ideologies since that would be impossible.

      I disagree. Completely solving all the problems is indeed impossible, but it should be possible to address them. Or, at the very least, acknowledge them. At least the major ones.

      And I do agree that ideologies should be treated as tools. More specifically - tools for analyzing the existing and desired structures and for framing the problems. There is no reason not to try viewing the world through the lens of each major ideology in order to get the most complete perspective. These views may not agree, and that’s fine - the disagreements may provide some interesting insights.

    • @naught101
      2•6 hours ago

      I think what you’re saying is true of modern politics (probably for the last few hundred years in state bureaucracies. I don’t think it’s necessarily true universally though. We seem to think that global politics has explored all the options, they all suck, and now we have to choose between them. But there’s infinite possibilities for how a society can be structured, and it’s fairly likely that there are many that are better them the ones we’ve tried over the last few centuries. The section in Wengrow and Graeber’s The Dawn Of Everything that describes political debate and decision making in Wendat society really hammered that home for me.