Anarchy is the worst a society can devolve into.
And people who believe that certain anarchy “models” can work, know nothing about the psychology of larger groups.
When large groups of people need to live together there needs to be structure and rules that must be respected, and the rules need to be upheld by a governing body.
The best way we have to form that governing body is democracy.
Oh you mean a democracy that isn’t flawed like the USA.
Scandinavian countries have direct democracy, as in voting on their representatives directly, and they are in no way anarchist.
Maybe you mean general elections on every detail of law, but again, that’s impossible, it’s stupid, it’s a waste of time and resources to have people decide how farmers interact with suppliers and dairy, something 99.9% of all people have no knowledge of.
It’s stupid because it’s impossible. You could also say it’s decidedly insane.
Maybe you mean general elections on every detail of law, but again, that’s impossible, it’s stupid, it’s a waste of time and resources to have people decide how farmers interact with suppliers and dairy, something 99.9% of all people have no knowledge of.
this is not a problem in any real world anarchist society that has ever existed, can you give one example of this being a problem? What actually happens is building law through consensus, look at the way the zapatistas organize for example.
showing up to the meetings isn’t mandatory, but they have one day off where everyone is allowed to participate, in the event of a tie, they vote, but most decisions are made through consensus.
also I think you vastly overestimate how much laws need to be changed, lawmakers will not endlessly go back and forth about unimportant things. did you know most members of congress in the US don’t even read the bills they sign? How much work is it really to help with making law once a week or so?
representative democracy is not direct democracy to be clear
When large groups of people need to live together there needs to be structure and rules that must be respected, and the rules need to be upheld by a governing body.
As I stated, people defending anarchy doesn’t understand the psychology of larger groups.
I can only say that EVERY successful society has a central government. If Anarchy could work as well, how come there are no successful anarchy societies?
Not as in so few, but NONE! If it should work so well, why has no country ever even tried?
When a country is thrown into anarchy because the government is removed, and nothing replaces it. It always turns out the same. Extreme violence, theft and hunger.
That’s what is shown to happen when Anarchy reigns.
In December 2008, the murder of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos by a policeman in Exarcheia caused rioting throughout Greece.
I have no idea what you are trying to argue here, but as far as I can tell Exarcheia is neither self governing or has anarchy and it isn’t in Paris, but in Greece???
You are extremely sloppy at trying to arguing your point.
You are not making any sense whatsoever, you can’t have a society call it state or otherwise, work by one simple mechanism. It’s simply not possible.
How would mutual aid create a factory? How is it decided who gets the products? How does the factory pay for the resources and work they need?
Mutual aid is not a functioning system, as I said, believing this nonsense shows zero understanding of how larger social groups forming societies work.
I’m not sure, but I think maybe you are using USA as the norm, but USA is not a good example of a democracy, it is ranked as a FLAWED democracy. And it’s been my opinion for more than a decade that USA is ranked way too high. An essentially 2 party system is not a real democracy.
Life is untenable for the majority already, it will get worse.
All the countries with the highest democracy ranks, have way less poverty than USA, also when USA is the far richer country, all have healthcare for all, free education, and also generally people have high satisfaction about their lives.
I agree USA has devolved badly in many ways since the start of the 80’s. Hopefully it will turn around at some point. But it’s hard to see it taking on a lasting course for improvements without a pretty serious modernization of their democracy, and cleaning up the corruption and exaggerated power of the super rich.
same thing that US oligarchs are doing within US is happening across OECD jurisdictions.
ie a broad assault on housing, education, healthcare and over all quality of life.
Fertility rates speak for themselves… including in the normie’s beloved scandi geos.
Swedish state is being dismantled as we speak too… and check this out, migrants are being used to do this lol can’t make this shit up.
UK is turned into more dystopian version of US, outright war on the poors.
German’s are having hard time maintaining their indsutrial base due to poor economic policy planning due to muttie Angela good work.
France’s Macron is a neo lyb acolyte. EE is doing decent economically and developing but they are just now hitting EU avgs.
neo lib regimes are working OT on dismantling any safety net they can get their hands on. “Democracy” aint stopping them, they polarized everything into America style left/right and gutting nations from within while making a few parasites can get wealthy
Anarchy is the worst a society can devolve into.
And people who believe that certain anarchy “models” can work, know nothing about the psychology of larger groups.
When large groups of people need to live together there needs to be structure and rules that must be respected, and the rules need to be upheld by a governing body.
The best way we have to form that governing body is democracy.
Anarchists believe in a government with direct democracy, you are arguing against a strawman
Oh you mean a democracy that isn’t flawed like the USA.
Scandinavian countries have direct democracy, as in voting on their representatives directly, and they are in no way anarchist.
Maybe you mean general elections on every detail of law, but again, that’s impossible, it’s stupid, it’s a waste of time and resources to have people decide how farmers interact with suppliers and dairy, something 99.9% of all people have no knowledge of.
It’s stupid because it’s impossible. You could also say it’s decidedly insane.
this is not a problem in any real world anarchist society that has ever existed, can you give one example of this being a problem? What actually happens is building law through consensus, look at the way the zapatistas organize for example.
showing up to the meetings isn’t mandatory, but they have one day off where everyone is allowed to participate, in the event of a tie, they vote, but most decisions are made through consensus.
also I think you vastly overestimate how much laws need to be changed, lawmakers will not endlessly go back and forth about unimportant things. did you know most members of congress in the US don’t even read the bills they sign? How much work is it really to help with making law once a week or so?
representative democracy is not direct democracy to be clear
As in none.
you can’t prove this.
As I stated, people defending anarchy doesn’t understand the psychology of larger groups.
I can only say that EVERY successful society has a central government. If Anarchy could work as well, how come there are no successful anarchy societies?
Not as in so few, but NONE! If it should work so well, why has no country ever even tried? When a country is thrown into anarchy because the government is removed, and nothing replaces it. It always turns out the same. Extreme violence, theft and hunger.
That’s what is shown to happen when Anarchy reigns.
there are
Bullshit.
exarcheia, the Paris commune, and the swamp maroons come right to mind, as well as anabaptists
This is what I get when I search “Exarcheia paris”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarcheia
I have no idea what you are trying to argue here, but as far as I can tell Exarcheia is neither self governing or has anarchy and it isn’t in Paris, but in Greece???
You are extremely sloppy at trying to arguing your point.
if you don’t know exarcheia and the Paris commune are separate societies, you’re not qualified to discuss the practicality of if anarchism
you don’t define success.
I absolutely do, as in NOT being dominated by Extreme violence, theft and hunger.
you’re describing capitalism
So how do you imagine Anarchy could work without capitalism. Even communist countries have a capitalist element.
communism is stateless. whatever you’re talking about isn’t communist. anarchy works through mutual aid.
You are not making any sense whatsoever, you can’t have a society call it state or otherwise, work by one simple mechanism. It’s simply not possible.
How would mutual aid create a factory? How is it decided who gets the products? How does the factory pay for the resources and work they need?
Mutual aid is not a functioning system, as I said, believing this nonsense shows zero understanding of how larger social groups forming societies work.
I don’t disagree… But that’s not how society operates historically or currently.
Closest we ever came to that us post ww2 era in some countries.
It has regressed into the circus we got eight now since then.
Life is untenable for the majority already, it will get worse.
I’m not sure, but I think maybe you are using USA as the norm, but USA is not a good example of a democracy, it is ranked as a FLAWED democracy. And it’s been my opinion for more than a decade that USA is ranked way too high. An essentially 2 party system is not a real democracy.
Democracies that actually work are for instance the Scandinavian countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
All the countries with the highest democracy ranks, have way less poverty than USA, also when USA is the far richer country, all have healthcare for all, free education, and also generally people have high satisfaction about their lives.
I agree USA has devolved badly in many ways since the start of the 80’s. Hopefully it will turn around at some point. But it’s hard to see it taking on a lasting course for improvements without a pretty serious modernization of their democracy, and cleaning up the corruption and exaggerated power of the super rich.
same thing that US oligarchs are doing within US is happening across OECD jurisdictions.
ie a broad assault on housing, education, healthcare and over all quality of life.
Fertility rates speak for themselves… including in the normie’s beloved scandi geos.
Swedish state is being dismantled as we speak too… and check this out, migrants are being used to do this lol can’t make this shit up.
UK is turned into more dystopian version of US, outright war on the poors.
German’s are having hard time maintaining their indsutrial base due to poor economic policy planning due to muttie Angela good work.
France’s Macron is a neo lyb acolyte. EE is doing decent economically and developing but they are just now hitting EU avgs.
neo lib regimes are working OT on dismantling any safety net they can get their hands on. “Democracy” aint stopping them, they polarized everything into America style left/right and gutting nations from within while making a few parasites can get wealthy