God created Adam from nothing mud. God is omnipotent. Why was he suddenly so restricted that he couldn’t create Eve just from nothing some more mud? Why did he go “darn, I’ll need something more, I guess I’ll borrow a rib to do that.”
I think it’s a weak explanation for the apparant contradiction between the initial Yahwist creation narrative at Genesis 2:4 where Adam proceeded most animals and his “helper” and the subsequent 6-day Priestly narrative at 1:1 where man and woman were created at the same time on the sixth day.
Yes, the chronological order of the stories is reversed, according to most scholars. Lilith isn’t in sacred scripture (unless you could words based on other forms of the origin of the name, but that’s a stretch). She appears in post-second temple Jewish folklore (read: after Christianity branched off Judaism) if that’s of any significance to you.
Okay good you know 😂 For an accurate Christian interpretation just read canonical church fathers and defer to church tradition. I’m Orthodox but Catholics would dismiss any interpretation applying any significance Lilith as well. Second Temple Judaism is just that. A lot of gnostic nonsense comes from it.
Now we’re getting somewhere! But if God knows everything, how come he couldn’t create the same thing consistently? How come he couldn’t forsee that the first method wouldn’t work?
My theology is a little rusty so bear with me, but; I believe the teaching here is that initially God did create ‘companions’ for Adam from the earth by way of creatures/animals/critters/etc and then had Adam go around naming them all. But then it goes on to say something like ‘there was not a helper fit for him from them’, so God made this “helper” (I’ll elaborate on that word) directly from Adam who immediately recognised her as being from himself. Genesis isn’t really literal either, especially not the first half of it so think of this more as a metaphor.
If you dive into the linguistics a bit (my memory here is also a bit rusty) the term “helper” is translated from the Hebrew word “ezer” and is the same word used to describe God’s relationship with humanity. There’s a lot of misinterpretation (understandably so IMO) about the word “helper” in most translations, but what most theologians believe it to mean by the use of the word “ezer” is the relationship between man and woman is collaborative and supportive, and not hierarchical despite the English translation making it sound a bit not like that.
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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Man and woman are of one flesh. This ontology gives context and purpose to their relationship. Man and woman are meant to be reunited in the flesh to the Glory of God.
The podcast goes into more detail and explains it better than me.
God created Adam from
nothingmud. God is omnipotent. Why was he suddenly so restricted that he couldn’t create Eve just fromnothingsome more mud? Why did he go “darn, I’ll need something more, I guess I’ll borrow a rib to do that.”Lilith was created from mud like Adam, and refused to be subservient to him, so Eve was made from Adam as a replacement
Where’s the chapter and verse of Lilith being Adams wife?
I think it’s a weak explanation for the apparant contradiction between the initial Yahwist creation narrative at Genesis 2:4 where Adam proceeded most animals and his “helper” and the subsequent 6-day Priestly narrative at 1:1 where man and woman were created at the same time on the sixth day.
Yes, the chronological order of the stories is reversed, according to most scholars. Lilith isn’t in sacred scripture (unless you could words based on other forms of the origin of the name, but that’s a stretch). She appears in post-second temple Jewish folklore (read: after Christianity branched off Judaism) if that’s of any significance to you.
Okay good you know 😂 For an accurate Christian interpretation just read canonical church fathers and defer to church tradition. I’m Orthodox but Catholics would dismiss any interpretation applying any significance Lilith as well. Second Temple Judaism is just that. A lot of gnostic nonsense comes from it.
Now we’re getting somewhere! But if God knows everything, how come he couldn’t create the same thing consistently? How come he couldn’t forsee that the first method wouldn’t work?
Since Adam was made from mud, his rib was too.
So technically, Eve was also made from mud.
“Do I just boringly make a chick out of mud, again? Nah. I will cripple this guy to make her.”
I think he made Adam out of mud or something
Fair, it’s been a while since I last read it. But my question stands: I guess there was some more mud left…?
My theology is a little rusty so bear with me, but; I believe the teaching here is that initially God did create ‘companions’ for Adam from the earth by way of creatures/animals/critters/etc and then had Adam go around naming them all. But then it goes on to say something like ‘there was not a helper fit for him from them’, so God made this “helper” (I’ll elaborate on that word) directly from Adam who immediately recognised her as being from himself. Genesis isn’t really literal either, especially not the first half of it so think of this more as a metaphor.
If you dive into the linguistics a bit (my memory here is also a bit rusty) the term “helper” is translated from the Hebrew word “ezer” and is the same word used to describe God’s relationship with humanity. There’s a lot of misinterpretation (understandably so IMO) about the word “helper” in most translations, but what most theologians believe it to mean by the use of the word “ezer” is the relationship between man and woman is collaborative and supportive, and not hierarchical despite the English translation making it sound a bit not like that.
You can learn the theology and symbolism behind the creation in Genesis here. https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wholecounsel/
I wasn’t the one who downvoted you, but if you know the answer, I’m more than happy to hear about it.
From Genesis 2 –
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
–
Man and woman are of one flesh. This ontology gives context and purpose to their relationship. Man and woman are meant to be reunited in the flesh to the Glory of God.
The podcast goes into more detail and explains it better than me.