Canadian here. Under US employment law, can’t the reason be as arbitrary as “I don’t like the colour of your shirt” (i.e., you can be fired without cause for any reason)? Barring a union contract that says otherwise and explicitly mentions probationary workers, it seems like they can make up any reason they want; that’s probably the easiest part.
So the current union contract specifically gives probationary workers the right not to be fired without cause? Honestly, that’s a lot better than I was expecting.
So then why did you reply to my comment as though you were correcting me if the answer to my question was “yes, probationary workers can be fired without cause for any reason”? You’ve just confirmed that neither federal employment law nor a union contract will protect these probationary workers.
I’m trying to understand the things you are telling me because they don’t make sense and contradict. In the end, I was correct and you’re just weird and have trouble communicating and reading.
Many states are “at-will”, meaning either side caN end the relationship at will. People in these states have few protections. However there are court rulings that if a company defines a process they must follow it, and of course both sides generally have to follow contracts, including union contracts ts for the few unionized workers we have left.
However these are federal employees and appear to be union, so they’re better protected than most. It’s going to come down to how “probationary” is defined, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s in a lawsuit after the fact.
The common expectation of “probationary” is that there be a reason, you’re unsatisfactory somehow. I wouldn’t have thought you could use that for mass layoffs, but it looks like we’re going to find out
I think it varies state by state. In Washington State, for example, an employer can dismiss an employee without reason or notice (assuming no union contract). It goes the other way too. An employee can leave a job without notice or reason. I once worked with someone who went to lunch and never came back. Good for him!
Canadian here. Under US employment law, can’t the reason be as arbitrary as “I don’t like the colour of your shirt” (i.e., you can be fired without cause for any reason)? Barring a union contract that says otherwise and explicitly mentions probationary workers, it seems like they can make up any reason they want; that’s probably the easiest part.
There’s a whole host of laws for different jobs/states/workers.
Federal workers are some of the most protected workers in America, but only when you’re vested. Because:
But you need a year to get those protections
So the current union contract specifically gives probationary workers the right not to be fired without cause? Honestly, that’s a lot better than I was expecting.
What?
No, it takes a year to be vested, at which much union protections become much stronger.
Vestment isn’t just a fed or even American thing.
So then why did you reply to my comment as though you were correcting me if the answer to my question was “yes, probationary workers can be fired without cause for any reason”? You’ve just confirmed that neither federal employment law nor a union contract will protect these probationary workers.
Did you ever think people wouldn’t give up explaining things to you if you weren’t constantly claiming they said things they didn’t?
You keep saying “So” and then random shit. Stop trying to make connections and just listen.
I’m trying to understand the things you are telling me because they don’t make sense and contradict. In the end, I was correct and you’re just weird and have trouble communicating and reading.
Many states are “at-will”, meaning either side caN end the relationship at will. People in these states have few protections. However there are court rulings that if a company defines a process they must follow it, and of course both sides generally have to follow contracts, including union contracts ts for the few unionized workers we have left.
However these are federal employees and appear to be union, so they’re better protected than most. It’s going to come down to how “probationary” is defined, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s in a lawsuit after the fact.
The common expectation of “probationary” is that there be a reason, you’re unsatisfactory somehow. I wouldn’t have thought you could use that for mass layoffs, but it looks like we’re going to find out
They are still federal workers and federal worker protections would still apply.
They don’t need to say Shirt any more either
I think it varies state by state. In Washington State, for example, an employer can dismiss an employee without reason or notice (assuming no union contract). It goes the other way too. An employee can leave a job without notice or reason. I once worked with someone who went to lunch and never came back. Good for him!