About those translations. “Tesla tsela” can be rib or side. Jewish people already said yhwh is androgyne, some posited hermaphrodite, so it seems to me it means side, as in half (which is just repackaging Sumerian religion, yhwh being a Canite desert storm warrior God, El being the peaceful one). Jesus never addressed homosexuality, but he did address adultery afaict, and even sex work they dragged only the woman caught in the act before the public, and not the man, where the penalty for either was the same.
I read Jesus as being socialist. Pay your taxes, feed the hungry, heal the sick, clothe the naked, take care of prisoners.
One could say the same about unrelated acts such as incest and beastiality but no one thinks he was permissive of those things. That’s because he was talking to Jews and condemned “porneia” (‘unlawful sex’), which to Jews unambiguously included all of the above including gay sex.
I read Jesus as being socialist
I do too, but more as an anarcho-socialist. He gave no instruction on how to run a state. And all he says about property and conflict resolution (basically pacifist, let yourself be robbed, wronged and stolen from, do not exercise violence towards another) do not carry over into how to run a state at all.
I don’t tend to use the word because it often implies progressive social values and rights which Jesus’ ministry bears little example of. (He was progressive in the first century, but not the 21st century)
That was meant to be tsela. Autocorrect is a bane.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed. But I guess different brains work differently.
ETA: maybe the gospel writers who lived hundreds of years after missed some stuff. Real time reports do the same. Or maybe they deliberately left some stuff out. Hard to say since there’s no proof Jesus ever existed.
For real kicks, check out the Ethiopian Bible. A lot of lore that’s not mentioned in the canonical gets explained there. Enoch (Metatron) and Testament of Solomon are wild. It’s what Goetian magic is based on. Which in my best estimation are early attempts at self-psychology, but that just comes from having listened to a couple of Don Duquett presentations.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed
“Do not resist an evil person. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you…” - Matthew 5:39
About those translations. “
Teslatsela” can be rib or side. Jewish people already said yhwh is androgyne, some posited hermaphrodite, so it seems to me it means side, as in half (which is just repackaging Sumerian religion, yhwh being a Canite desert storm warrior God, El being the peaceful one). Jesus never addressed homosexuality, but he did address adultery afaict, and even sex work they dragged only the woman caught in the act before the public, and not the man, where the penalty for either was the same.I read Jesus as being socialist. Pay your taxes, feed the hungry, heal the sick, clothe the naked, take care of prisoners.
I don’t follow the relevance of this
One could say the same about unrelated acts such as incest and beastiality but no one thinks he was permissive of those things. That’s because he was talking to Jews and condemned “porneia” (‘unlawful sex’), which to Jews unambiguously included all of the above including gay sex.
I do too, but more as an anarcho-socialist. He gave no instruction on how to run a state. And all he says about property and conflict resolution (basically pacifist, let yourself be robbed, wronged and stolen from, do not exercise violence towards another) do not carry over into how to run a state at all.
I don’t tend to use the word because it often implies progressive social values and rights which Jesus’ ministry bears little example of. (He was progressive in the first century, but not the 21st century)
That was meant to be tsela. Autocorrect is a bane.
I don’t see how you get where he said let yourself be robbed. But I guess different brains work differently.
ETA: maybe the gospel writers who lived hundreds of years after missed some stuff. Real time reports do the same. Or maybe they deliberately left some stuff out. Hard to say since there’s no proof Jesus ever existed.
For real kicks, check out the Ethiopian Bible. A lot of lore that’s not mentioned in the canonical gets explained there. Enoch (Metatron) and Testament of Solomon are wild. It’s what Goetian magic is based on. Which in my best estimation are early attempts at self-psychology, but that just comes from having listened to a couple of Don Duquett presentations.
“Do not resist an evil person. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you…” - Matthew 5:39
Fair. ETA: what version is that? First time I ever saw "sue "
Maybe he was talking about a poor robber. Maybe he wasn’t. Maybe what we see about characters reflects our shadows, light and dark.
The above was from the NIV but it’s similar in all translations as you can see on biblehub:
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-40.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-42.htm
Holy shit! I’ve got to pull out my ancient hardcopies and see if this is memory failure or updated translating.
it’s in the KJV from 1611. it’s nothing to do with “updated translations”