The point of it is, he is not even doing this for something he believes in. He may not or may not think the nazis are right but would openly serve, support and curry favour with them to serve his greed. Knowing full well he consigns people to death or worse, for greed. He is spineless and greedy.
He would join any group no matter how vile and that is arguably worse then believeing in twisted ideologies.
The point is that most top Nazis joined the Nazi Party not because they believed the ideology but because they expected they would gain from it.
In fact a lot of the “common people” who supported them did so because they expected they would gain from it.
Just about in every Rightwing movement out there (and, sadly, quite a lot of the Leftwing movements) if you exclude people who support it because they believe that they’ll personally be better of with it, only a small percentage of people are left.
This is even more so for major political parties were the power (and hence personal upside maximization possibilities) that high level members and supporters can obtain from their participation is huge, so it’s even less likely to find unselfish true believers at the top levels of such political parties because they attract so many who just “support” the ideology as a means to an end.
I mean, the motivations of the people at the top are so disconnected from the stated ideology that the National Socialist Party of the German Worker was in fact anti-Socialist and didn’t do much for the German Worker, and the Democrat party has a primary system with Super Voters whose votes count way more than individual party member’s.
All this to say that the only thing that makes sense in defining one as a supporter or not of a certain kind of ideology is if they support or not the same goals as the ideology and support or not the spreading of the ideology, quite independently of their motivations.
yes, and so musk is not a nazi because he said anything, not because he did a nazi salute, not because he belives in their cause, but he funds them, and will overlook abhorrence for his greed. Not even a spine to have twisted beliefs, just greed.
The point of it is, he is not even doing this for something he believes in. He may not or may not think the nazis are right but would openly serve, support and curry favour with them to serve his greed. Knowing full well he consigns people to death or worse, for greed. He is spineless and greedy.
He would join any group no matter how vile and that is arguably worse then believeing in twisted ideologies.
The point is that most top Nazis joined the Nazi Party not because they believed the ideology but because they expected they would gain from it.
In fact a lot of the “common people” who supported them did so because they expected they would gain from it.
Just about in every Rightwing movement out there (and, sadly, quite a lot of the Leftwing movements) if you exclude people who support it because they believe that they’ll personally be better of with it, only a small percentage of people are left.
This is even more so for major political parties were the power (and hence personal upside maximization possibilities) that high level members and supporters can obtain from their participation is huge, so it’s even less likely to find unselfish true believers at the top levels of such political parties because they attract so many who just “support” the ideology as a means to an end.
I mean, the motivations of the people at the top are so disconnected from the stated ideology that the National Socialist Party of the German Worker was in fact anti-Socialist and didn’t do much for the German Worker, and the Democrat party has a primary system with Super Voters whose votes count way more than individual party member’s.
All this to say that the only thing that makes sense in defining one as a supporter or not of a certain kind of ideology is if they support or not the same goals as the ideology and support or not the spreading of the ideology, quite independently of their motivations.
yes, and so musk is not a nazi because he said anything, not because he did a nazi salute, not because he belives in their cause, but he funds them, and will overlook abhorrence for his greed. Not even a spine to have twisted beliefs, just greed.