Unfortunately your crippling yourself if you think you can beat them while maintaining the moral high ground. The unfortunate fact about politics since time inmemorial Is that the biggest loudest nastiest dudes always win. Democrats don’t want to win they just want to stay on their high horse (moral high ground)
See The Murder of Ceasar for the universal example
As Jon Stewart said in his podcast, liberal media aims to be correct, while conservative media is effective. It’s a real thing - like when you marshal ALL your forces to stop abortion, whether you should have or not, and keep at it for a full decade, tying it to everything else like fiscal conservatism and more important NOT being liberal, it can achieve a powerful end…even if originally it was not meant to be taken entirely seriously.
All Democrats had to do back then was have someone else run other than Hillary - ANYONE else would have done just fine. People forget, but Republicans did not “win” that election - it was Democrats that did this to us. More people voted against her than for him in the “Never Hillary” movement, including lifelong liberals even immigrants. The “email scandal” - no not the one people talked about afterwards for so long where it was her emails that were leaked (well that too I suppose), the but the earlier one with the DNC emails were leaked and showed the collusion against Bernie Sanders - did a great deal of harm. e.g. we will never know (we are literally prevented from accurate measurements) exactly how many people died excess deaths from the pandemic that could possibly have been prevented, if truth had been reported from the halls of power rather than lies.
That is worth considering now that Kamala Harris will become our next Presidential candidate, under Biden’s name but after he dies or becomes incapacitated somewhere along the way she will take the position. That may not be a 100% certainty, but it does seem a possibility that it might happen, with a greater-than-average chance given his age. So is that just handing Republicans the House and Senate, once again? I do not know…
I am not exempting Republicans from blame here, just saying that neither am I exempting those who claim to be the more responsible party. Like if the only thing standing between us and a horde of zombies is a locked door, then the person who swings that door open wide has some measure of responsibility, no? Even if they do none of the flesh-eating directly. And whoever handed that person the only key to the door has a level of responsibility as well, no? By this I mean our for-profit media, who all but outright lies to us, even if technically telling the truth then still spinning it wildly out of proportion, in order to clickbait. I just wish there were any options at all between shooting yourself in the head vs. a slow death by poison.
All Democrats had to do back then was have someone else run other than Hillary - ANYONE else would have done just fine.
My father, who was openly fascist long before it was “ok” in right wing circles and thinks anyone to the left of Hitler is a Communist, said prior to the 2016 election that if it was Trump vs Bernie Sanders, he would vote for Bernie. The only person who could convince him to choke back the vomit and vote for Trump was Hillary.
Since 2008, I had been saying that the left wing refused to understand how hated Hillary is. She should have never been within 1000 yards of the nomination. You don’t need to like what the right is saying, but we should all at least listen, if only to know what we’re up against.
Obama ignored the rural areas following the fiscal crisis (this is not true in actual fact, but the perception, which carries much greater weight than real facts, yes?), thus they turned to someone who they felt “listened” to them. Bernie did, and while in many ways Bernie may have been a horrible president - idealistic, not grounded in reality, unable to make compromises (as Obama said, Bernie is a “prophet in the wilderness, pointing to the way we should go, but not a king, able to make the tough choices”, paraphrased) - Hillary’s and more relevant the DNC’s treatment of him pushed many into the act of voting “for” Trump, as a protest “against” her.
As the story goes, his wife Melania cried that night that he won, and not tears of joy. Trump himself even briefly explored turning down the offer… he never had any intention of winning, it was all a publicity stunt for his next TV show, as it always was, every time he did it. Trump - while he is a prime mover / cause all on his own - is nonetheless also a “victim” of the set of circumstances that put him into office, and may yet do so again. The media claims to have learned something from the whole event, but has it, really, when it continues to do exactly as it did before?
Those who do not learn from their history… will be given unlimited chances to do so still yet again and again!:-P
I mean I went to the effort of including the link… you could click it and find out? :-P
But yeah, conservative media says whatever it needs to in order to achieve its aim, it does not sweat the small details like accuracy or whatever, while liberal media gets bogged down in those and forgets what it was even talking about in the first place.
Very true. Kudos to being skeptical btw -> keep asking questions!:-) We may not agree on this particular matter but I hope we can agree on that much at least. If not… I am still going to do it anyway:-P. Also, I have no skin in that game - I do not work in the industry, but he is somewhat of an expert on the topic, having worked in it for several decades, so I offered in case people wanted to hear what he had to say.
The biggest / loudest / noisiest do not always win.
There’s more to politics than “winning”, winning is pointless if you have to trade your principles to do so.
I don’t think conservatives would say they have up the moral high ground to win. They just interpret morality differently. That doesn’t make it ok, but it does mean that discarding “the moral highground” in order to win is an absurd proposition.
The Republicans’ only principle is winning power. Therefore any lie, change in position, or trick in service of that is not a sacrifice. I’m not being sarcastic. That’s really all they are now.
Yeah, my reading of it is arrogance. They genuinely believe that they are the better governers because they will guide the nation on a godly path, therefore a bit of theatre (lies) in a campaign is the lesser evil.
Unfortunately your crippling yourself if you think you can beat them while maintaining the moral high ground. The unfortunate fact about politics since time inmemorial Is that the biggest loudest nastiest dudes always win. Democrats don’t want to win they just want to stay on their high horse (moral high ground)
See The Murder of Ceasar for the universal example
Buddy, “both sides are the same” is long dead and has been for a few years now.
Both sides are parties of Wall Street.
They represent shareholders.
Neither party represents workers.
What I said the Democrats are not the same. They clearly are trying to lose
As Jon Stewart said in his podcast, liberal media aims to be correct, while conservative media is effective. It’s a real thing - like when you marshal ALL your forces to stop abortion, whether you should have or not, and keep at it for a full decade, tying it to everything else like fiscal conservatism and more important NOT being liberal, it can achieve a powerful end…even if originally it was not meant to be taken entirely seriously.
All Democrats had to do back then was have someone else run other than Hillary - ANYONE else would have done just fine. People forget, but Republicans did not “win” that election - it was Democrats that did this to us. More people voted against her than for him in the “Never Hillary” movement, including lifelong liberals even immigrants. The “email scandal” - no not the one people talked about afterwards for so long where it was her emails that were leaked (well that too I suppose), the but the earlier one with the DNC emails were leaked and showed the collusion against Bernie Sanders - did a great deal of harm. e.g. we will never know (we are literally prevented from accurate measurements) exactly how many people died excess deaths from the pandemic that could possibly have been prevented, if truth had been reported from the halls of power rather than lies.
That is worth considering now that Kamala Harris will become our next Presidential candidate, under Biden’s name but after he dies or becomes incapacitated somewhere along the way she will take the position. That may not be a 100% certainty, but it does seem a possibility that it might happen, with a greater-than-average chance given his age. So is that just handing Republicans the House and Senate, once again? I do not know…
I am not exempting Republicans from blame here, just saying that neither am I exempting those who claim to be the more responsible party. Like if the only thing standing between us and a horde of zombies is a locked door, then the person who swings that door open wide has some measure of responsibility, no? Even if they do none of the flesh-eating directly. And whoever handed that person the only key to the door has a level of responsibility as well, no? By this I mean our for-profit media, who all but outright lies to us, even if technically telling the truth then still spinning it wildly out of proportion, in order to clickbait. I just wish there were any options at all between shooting yourself in the head vs. a slow death by poison.
Oh well, who wants to live forever!?! :-D
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My father, who was openly fascist long before it was “ok” in right wing circles and thinks anyone to the left of Hitler is a Communist, said prior to the 2016 election that if it was Trump vs Bernie Sanders, he would vote for Bernie. The only person who could convince him to choke back the vomit and vote for Trump was Hillary.
Since 2008, I had been saying that the left wing refused to understand how hated Hillary is. She should have never been within 1000 yards of the nomination. You don’t need to like what the right is saying, but we should all at least listen, if only to know what we’re up against.
Obama ignored the rural areas following the fiscal crisis (this is not true in actual fact, but the perception, which carries much greater weight than real facts, yes?), thus they turned to someone who they felt “listened” to them. Bernie did, and while in many ways Bernie may have been a horrible president - idealistic, not grounded in reality, unable to make compromises (as Obama said, Bernie is a “prophet in the wilderness, pointing to the way we should go, but not a king, able to make the tough choices”, paraphrased) - Hillary’s and more relevant the DNC’s treatment of him pushed many into the act of voting “for” Trump, as a protest “against” her.
As the story goes, his wife Melania cried that night that he won, and not tears of joy. Trump himself even briefly explored turning down the offer… he never had any intention of winning, it was all a publicity stunt for his next TV show, as it always was, every time he did it. Trump - while he is a prime mover / cause all on his own - is nonetheless also a “victim” of the set of circumstances that put him into office, and may yet do so again. The media claims to have learned something from the whole event, but has it, really, when it continues to do exactly as it did before?
Those who do not learn from their history… will be given unlimited chances to do so still yet again and again!:-P
Congrats you did praxis
Never heard of it, maybe it did me:-D
Lmao seriously?
I mean I went to the effort of including the link… you could click it and find out? :-P
But yeah, conservative media says whatever it needs to in order to achieve its aim, it does not sweat the small details like accuracy or whatever, while liberal media gets bogged down in those and forgets what it was even talking about in the first place.
Clicked your link. Just because some jerkoff agrees with you that his side is great, it doesn’t make it anything resembling true.
Very true. Kudos to being skeptical btw -> keep asking questions!:-) We may not agree on this particular matter but I hope we can agree on that much at least. If not… I am still going to do it anyway:-P. Also, I have no skin in that game - I do not work in the industry, but he is somewhat of an expert on the topic, having worked in it for several decades, so I offered in case people wanted to hear what he had to say.
Im thinking you’re upset because you can’t ride on Biden Jr’s dong?
This is incredibly reductive.
The biggest / loudest / noisiest do not always win.
There’s more to politics than “winning”, winning is pointless if you have to trade your principles to do so.
I don’t think conservatives would say they have up the moral high ground to win. They just interpret morality differently. That doesn’t make it ok, but it does mean that discarding “the moral highground” in order to win is an absurd proposition.
The Republicans’ only principle is winning power. Therefore any lie, change in position, or trick in service of that is not a sacrifice. I’m not being sarcastic. That’s really all they are now.
Yeah, my reading of it is arrogance. They genuinely believe that they are the better governers because they will guide the nation on a godly path, therefore a bit of theatre (lies) in a campaign is the lesser evil.
Sorry mate principles don’t feed my family
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Damn that was SAVAGE.
Max voltage (min iq) feeds his family platitude casserole every night.
Yes they do.
Whatever your employment or wherever your income is from it very likely depends on you at least appearing to not be a lying asshole.
The folks who murdered Caesar lost too. The people loved Caesar. Everyone involved in his death were afraid for their lives.