I wonder what would happen if the Democrats tried to activate those chronic non-voters, rather than trying to flip those moderate republicans i keep being told are real
Removing your support from a party you previously supported is an effort to bring about change. Evidenced by the democrats trying to figure out how to get people to vote for them again.
Its the same type of situation: would you make the best of a bad situation or blow it up? Would you vote for the lesser evil or abstain/vote third party?
Well with all the dramatic news stories and comments, you’d think the country already was burned to the ground. I’m getting exhausted of people jumping to conclusions and claiming what they think the consequences will be is a simple fact. Especially absurd when Trump changes his public opinions near daily.
It wasnt a personal reference. The point I’m making is that it tends to be overwhelmingly bad relationships end in divorce, as they should. It would be awful if people were forced to stay in bad situations like that.
The democrats have a horrible relationship with their party members, and so many chose divorce, rightly so.
Yes, I know you still think this is about political parties. It was not then and it certainly is not now. It was about stopping America from becoming the one-party fascist state it has now become.
You can complain about the Democrats all you want. They are no longer an entity because there is only one legitimate political party in America right now- the one in control of all three branches of government that will never, ever give that up willingly.
So, again, I hope you got all you wanted out of the divorce.
Why on Earth do you think that acknowledging the reality that America is now a one-party fascist state is giving up? Do you think acknowledging that about the Nazis or the Italians was giving up?
Voting is a power that has been consistently weakened for the past four decades in the United States, and is completely useless in a two party system with two captured parties. Political change has historically been accomplished with money and violence; it is extraordinarily rare for countries to vote themselves out of the slide to fascism.
Getting out and organizing strikes/protests and building third-party grassroots political movements are absolutely great suggestions; neither are voting. Both of them require a significant amount of additional effort than voting. In fact, you may even notice that one requires money, and the other often implies a threat of further violence.
A large reason we are in this is because Americans see voting as the be-all end-all to their political participation. It is the absolute weakest tool to actually enact change in the U.S. political system.
Getting out and organizing strikes/protests and building third-party grassroots political movements are absolutely great suggestions;
Yes, voting isn’t the only action. As a union steward, I’m well aware. People should use multiple tools, but at a MINIMUM people need to vote(as long as we remain mildly democratic).
It is the absolute weakest tool to actually enact change in the U.S. political system.
It is a very strong tool in preventing down sliding.
Remember! People aren’t powerless! Voting is a power! Not voting is not how political change happens
that’s a good point
I wonder what would happen if the Democrats tried to activate those chronic non-voters, rather than trying to flip those moderate republicans i keep being told are real
It really does baffle me that some people think a lack of an effort will bring about change.
Removing your support from a party you previously supported is an effort to bring about change. Evidenced by the democrats trying to figure out how to get people to vote for them again.
I bet you think divorce is a bad thing too.
Divorce isn’t something from nothing, so I’m not too sure what that false equivalency is supposed to do for you.
You cannot expect action from inaction.
I guess you never just ignored a toddler… lots of action comes from that inaction.
Its the same type of situation: would you make the best of a bad situation or blow it up? Would you vote for the lesser evil or abstain/vote third party?
Voting for the lesser evil is a no brainer considering the threat America faced. In better times, I’d absolutely agree with the ideology.
Now is not those times.
Well with all the dramatic news stories and comments, you’d think the country already was burned to the ground. I’m getting exhausted of people jumping to conclusions and claiming what they think the consequences will be is a simple fact. Especially absurd when Trump changes his public opinions near daily.
How are you enjoying the divorce so far? Got what you wanted out of it?
It wasnt a personal reference. The point I’m making is that it tends to be overwhelmingly bad relationships end in divorce, as they should. It would be awful if people were forced to stay in bad situations like that.
The democrats have a horrible relationship with their party members, and so many chose divorce, rightly so.
Yes, I know you still think this is about political parties. It was not then and it certainly is not now. It was about stopping America from becoming the one-party fascist state it has now become.
You can complain about the Democrats all you want. They are no longer an entity because there is only one legitimate political party in America right now- the one in control of all three branches of government that will never, ever give that up willingly.
So, again, I hope you got all you wanted out of the divorce.
So far so good.
Must be nice to have that white, cishet privilege.
I hope for your sake that you’re Christian too.
Nope, just dont live in a state thats awful.
Well the DNC is now forced to either pull their collective head out their ass or destroy themselves in spite. We’ll see how it goes.
You actually think the Democratic Party will ever have any real power ever again? Or any party other than the Republican Party?
You actually think the Republican Party will ever willingly give up power?
You still think these people give a shit about the law?
Amazing. Just amazing.
Maybe you should give up on the democrats then. But its not their fault of course.
I would like you to find one shred of evidence that I was ever a Democrat or supported their party.
Then I would like you to explain why you think I give a fuck who’s fault it is at this point.
Oh great I’ll add that to the list of notes I keep about you. Very important stuff.
If you’ve given up so completely, why even bother to keep posting? The last thing we need right now is more pointless doomers.
Why on Earth do you think that acknowledging the reality that America is now a one-party fascist state is giving up? Do you think acknowledging that about the Nazis or the Italians was giving up?
Look back on the words you wrote. Those are the words of a quitter.
Voting is a power that has been consistently weakened for the past four decades in the United States, and is completely useless in a two party system with two captured parties. Political change has historically been accomplished with money and violence; it is extraordinarily rare for countries to vote themselves out of the slide to fascism.
A vote not used is a vote for oppression. Get out an organize, run for election, etc. change is still possible
Getting out and organizing strikes/protests and building third-party grassroots political movements are absolutely great suggestions; neither are voting. Both of them require a significant amount of additional effort than voting. In fact, you may even notice that one requires money, and the other often implies a threat of further violence.
A large reason we are in this is because Americans see voting as the be-all end-all to their political participation. It is the absolute weakest tool to actually enact change in the U.S. political system.
Yes, voting isn’t the only action. As a union steward, I’m well aware. People should use multiple tools, but at a MINIMUM people need to vote(as long as we remain mildly democratic).
It is a very strong tool in preventing down sliding.
The russian people get to vote. How is that is working out for them?
They “get to vote”. Their votes don’t actually matter, at all. We are not yet in a position like Russia’s.
When all we can vote for are one of two people who don’t represent us, but instead represent themselves and the rich… I would say we are close enough.
Harris wouldn’t cut osha lmfao they’re n5it the same
Never said they would do the same thing. I said neither of the represent our interests.