I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

  • riquisimoEnglish
    6•8 hours ago

    I was with you up until the “I would still get one for safely” part. We must clearly live in different kinds of areas, I’ve never felt the need to own one for any reason.

    • @givesomefucksEnglish
      12•8 hours ago

      The vast amount of Americans aren’t in that boat…

      Every crazy person around me is carrying, all it takes these days is not driving exactly like how someone wants or unintentionally minor inconveniencing them for them to pull out a gun.

      It’s not even staying out of “bad areas” anymore. It can (and does) happen everywhere. It just usually doesn’t make the news unless someone is shot in a nice area. A crazy person pulling a gun out might get media attention if it’s on video if not, cops don’t even care.

    • @AA5BEnglish
      8•7 hours ago

      And it’s worse than that. At least in most parts of the US, carrying a weapon “for safety” is likely to have negative results. You are less safe.

      There are always accidents, innocent people in the way, curious kids, mental health crises.

      And a gunfight is usually the worst possible situation. Given the choice of swallowing your pride and backing down or getting in a gunfight, swallowing your pride is safer. You don’t need a hun for that and a hun will tempt you to the choice that’s worse for you.

      So you’re counting on having a loaded weapon around unsecured that’s never used by the wrong person or purpose. You’re counting on firing first and somehow being justified. Or that someone else shoots first and misses, then gives you time to get your weapon and shoot back…. And that your aim is better than there’s.

      Its possible that you will successfully defend yourself but the odds are very long

    • Bahnd RollardEnglish
      5•7 hours ago

      OP is right though, there are parts of the world where self defense is not as clear cut. The question you need to follow up with is “is this self defense against nature or people?”.

      For example, there are places in the far north where polar bears are a problem, I doubt anyone other than Greenpeace would not have a problem with you shooting an animal attacking you. Its tragic, but by that point its not really avoidable.

      The issue most of us have is the “defense against people” where lines get drawn, the problem is how inconsistent that line is. Im in the camp where survival is fine, and sport is conditionally ok, but outside that there are no ethical reasons to persue gun ownership, but others will say collections, historic preservation, or self defense are valid reasons. Culture has a lot to do with it, some places handle it well, like Switzerland, but the elephant in the room is America and their, I would argue very unhealthy, relationship with guns.