I don’t troll. At all. What I do is post various comments encouraging a community to not get angry as hell about a change but to make the best out of it. That’s what happened when 196 decided to port over from blahaj.zone to lemmy.world. I made a bunch of fairly long comments that were talking about how people shouldn’t be angry and just leaving toxic comments but fueling a better community, whether that be here or elsewhere. Comments went fairly well and all was fine and left up for a while but a couple of days after being posted they were removed along with everything else that I had posted to that community. The mods list the reason in the modlog for my permanent ban as “trolling”. There are many things I do, but trolling isn’t one of them. Especially when the comment sections are left in a state here showing that I wasn’t trolling.
I went through everything that I did with that community and cannot find a singular thing with the exception of a memory.
I had posted a meme a couple of weeks ago. I don’t remember exactly what it was but I remember a moderator saying on it an hour or two after posting that it should be marked as NSFW. I disagreed with this assessment. I left a comment in response saying that I disagreed that it should be marked and that I would refuse to mark it as NSFW. However, I also respect that it is their community and their rules so I settled for something different. I didn’t add an NSFW tag, I just deleted it wholesale. I didn’t want to add a tag to something that I didn’t feel was applicable and instead of having to sit with that tag on the post, I just deleted the post entirely.
So this only leaves two options from the mods of 196.
Either they banned me for posting comments that were supportive of the community itself and not directly supportive of them or they banned me for deleting a post.
In either case? The moderators of [email protected] are no better than reddit moderators who just lash out for their own ego. Blanket bans for disagreements.
And perhaps unsurprisingly and perfectly fitting of every single accusation that has been levied so far against them and their abusive practices, the last moderator to interact with me was @[email protected].
I find it fucking hysterical how the mods over there are so vehemently Anti-Trump (and should be given the userbase and content) but act no better than someone in his administration.
Edit: I found the post about it being NSFW after going through Moss’ profile but unsurprisingly Moss had to go ahead and suppress my comment there as well. It’s remarkable how much of their profile is just whining about being treated unfairly while they’re going ahead and treating people unfairly. But of course, Moss (being a redditor) had to go ahead and downvote before the removal of the post. Fragile… jesus.
As for how I feel it should be remedied, Moss should step down or at least be removed as a mod on Lemmy.world. They’ve done nothing for the community that hasn’t been insanely divisive as of late. They seem to be remarkably tonedeaf and just openly abusing their position.
Update
@[email protected] went to the community and straight up asked why I was banned. For the record I didn’t ask for this or anything and was completely blindsided when I got a notification in my inbox. But a mod over there did respond with this:
So I’m unbanned from the community because a mod could find no reason that made sense why I was banned.
Tell me how that doesn’t unilaterally prove that Moss was indeed just banning people over petty ass reasons?
Those mods are just lost. The whole debacle when they tried to move the community to LW was a mess. [email protected] for people interested.
Long live [email protected]
Oh absolutely. You and I were the ones talking in that first thread about how moving over to the other community was happening. You had said something that I disagreed with the wording of, not sure if you remember. But would you have constituted that conversation we had about the community as trolling?
Moss is a pureblood redditor. They came to Lemmy hoping they could continue the same nonsense over from reddit. I dunno if they had power there originally or if they just saw it and wanted it here, but they’re fucking insane. A power-hungry little redditor.
And very much all the props to our new home. I didn’t even realize I was banned from the old one because I had just been posting to the new. And I mean, it’s not like I post a lot or anything…
Definitely not. IIRC we disagreed on a few things, agreed on others, it was respectful.
If that’s the case, good to see how well the community managed to move.
That is how I took it as well. I disagreed on a couple of points, felt marred by one and we both addressed that and moved on like adults. So if those comments were what constituted the trolling ban then it wasn’t my behavior but my content. Content that was just supportive of a community doing what it felt best, whether that was staying there or moving elsewhere. Sus.
Yeah it was sorely needed. I do not interact with mods often, surprisingly. You’d think maybe I would with how much I used to post and have been starting to again lately (Gotta get on today) but honestly it is pretty rare. I talk way more with admins (of mulitple instances) than I talk with moderators. I mean I’m friends with some mods here but they’re of communities I don’t interact with. The few times I do engage with a moderator have been pretty respectful overall. A polite request and either I disagree and delete the post instead (that has happened numerous times in the past with no issue) or do what they ask because it makes total sense. The fact that my only interaction with /c/196 mods has been them acting petty and underselling their own community?
Not a good look.
I’ve been posting to [email protected] for weeks and so far haven’t bumped into a mod. Maybe in comments or something but not that I’m aware of. That’s generally how you know the community is well moderated. You never see them doing anything other than engaging with the community. Like we’ve got NegativeNull over on TenForward who is fuckin awesome for that. I mean so is everyone else but I wanted to give a shout out to my Nully boy.
In my experience, almost everyone on the internet behaves this way. There’s a reputation that internet people are toxic, angry, unreasonable, and insulting, and there need to be strict controls or the whole thing will turn into a shit show. But my observation is that even if you look at one of those big shit-show threads, it will be a tiny minority of the people that are creating all the personal insults and drama. I think the key factor is that one unhinged person can amp a bunch of other people up, and the unhinged people also tend to be very persistent in starting drama with anyone who will interact with them, and so their influence is outsized.
But check it out sometime: Look at one of those angerfest threads, and I bet it will be less than 3 people who are instigating all of the anger. Of course, there will be other people who get roped into it, but it’s usually pretty easy to identify the source, and once you see that, it’ll become clear that almost everyone when they’re talking amongst each other is perfectly reasonable, whether or not they agree about the stuff they’re talking about.
stamets you are a goddamn treasure
Oh god what have I done now.
This whole drama started because blahaj admins were banning 196 users they didn’t agree with. They banned people for not agreeing with the new rule of “Repsect Trolls”
We should be able to tell trolls to fuck off, it shouldn’t be controversial.
The rule was “you’re not allowed to misgender trolls.” It’s one the the majority of LBZ users support, since it’s incredibly simple to see what an absolute shitshow it would be to let people decide who it is and isn’t okay to misgender.
You don’t have to interact with everyone. If someone’s pronouns piss you off so much then you can just block them and never think about them again. You can even tell them to fuck off while you do it. What you can’t do is misgender them on purpose and expect to not get banned.
The rule was to respect everyone, even the trolls, and block/report.
And there was contention because the admins weren’t banning trolls.
And only the ones who didn’t get banned support the rule, hence the power tripping.
Blahaj 196 lost hundreds of users that day from the dissent ban wave
And nothing of value was lost from a collection of transphobic assholes being banned from this queer-friendly instance…
You have to respect everyone’s pronouns is the rule, yes. There is not an “unless they’re trolling” exception.
And a trans centered instance defining neopronouns as trolling just wasn’t going to happen, regardless. You seem to have your own narrative on what’s going on that completely erases the transphobia people were banned for or that the rule revolves around a strict no-misgendering policy.
I think they’re definitely a troll, they literally accused Ada of allowing pedophiles and zoophiles on Blahaj in their other comment as if she’s doing that by expecting people here to respect Neopronoun users. Average transphobic troll trying to erase the transphobia and vilify efforts to fight it.
Oh ew, that’s on me I guess for not checking out new accounts more thoroughly before engaging
Don’t worry. I reported them and I dropped a few mentions to Ada, hopefully she’ll find this asshole and purge them soon.
This is what ruins lgbtq spaces, it happened on reddit too.
Lazy admins make lazy broad policies that end up banning the people engaging trolls instead of trolls.
There was huge controversy where these policies led to sub mods protecting minor attracted persons who came in to disrupt their spaces
I don’t expect everyone to know the history of lgbtq spaces on the internet, but that’s what happens.
If the space becomes as popular as reddit it will happen again here.
And I also don’t respect the admins banning all dissent. That shit is cringe
*I’m trans btw
Are you talking about blahaj, or some other space which did this? Because I’m going to need to see some concrete evidence or take this down.
This person did seem to claim that Blahaj did it in another comment, here:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21720366/12812252
That happened on reddit
Please adjust that phrase to make this clear.
Ah yes, continuing the lie that blahaj.zone at somehow supports or encourages pedophilia.
This doesn’t preclude a person from being transphobic, and it certainly doesn’t justify the lying and fabrication and accusations towards blahaj.zone admins of harboring pedophiles, because they chose to stand up against misgendering and ban people who misgender others or spew apologia.