I don’t troll. At all. What I do is post various comments encouraging a community to not get angry as hell about a change but to make the best out of it. That’s what happened when 196 decided to port over from blahaj.zone to lemmy.world. I made a bunch of fairly long comments that were talking about how people shouldn’t be angry and just leaving toxic comments but fueling a better community, whether that be here or elsewhere. Comments went fairly well and all was fine and left up for a while but a couple of days after being posted they were removed along with everything else that I had posted to that community. The mods list the reason in the modlog for my permanent ban as “trolling”. There are many things I do, but trolling isn’t one of them. Especially when the comment sections are left in a state here showing that I wasn’t trolling.
I went through everything that I did with that community and cannot find a singular thing with the exception of a memory.
I had posted a meme a couple of weeks ago. I don’t remember exactly what it was but I remember a moderator saying on it an hour or two after posting that it should be marked as NSFW. I disagreed with this assessment. I left a comment in response saying that I disagreed that it should be marked and that I would refuse to mark it as NSFW. However, I also respect that it is their community and their rules so I settled for something different. I didn’t add an NSFW tag, I just deleted it wholesale. I didn’t want to add a tag to something that I didn’t feel was applicable and instead of having to sit with that tag on the post, I just deleted the post entirely.
So this only leaves two options from the mods of 196.
Either they banned me for posting comments that were supportive of the community itself and not directly supportive of them or they banned me for deleting a post.
In either case? The moderators of [email protected] are no better than reddit moderators who just lash out for their own ego. Blanket bans for disagreements.
And perhaps unsurprisingly and perfectly fitting of every single accusation that has been levied so far against them and their abusive practices, the last moderator to interact with me was @[email protected].
I find it fucking hysterical how the mods over there are so vehemently Anti-Trump (and should be given the userbase and content) but act no better than someone in his administration.
Edit: I found the post about it being NSFW after going through Moss’ profile but unsurprisingly Moss had to go ahead and suppress my comment there as well. It’s remarkable how much of their profile is just whining about being treated unfairly while they’re going ahead and treating people unfairly. But of course, Moss (being a redditor) had to go ahead and downvote before the removal of the post. Fragile… jesus.
As for how I feel it should be remedied, Moss should step down or at least be removed as a mod on Lemmy.world. They’ve done nothing for the community that hasn’t been insanely divisive as of late. They seem to be remarkably tonedeaf and just openly abusing their position.
Update
@[email protected] went to the community and straight up asked why I was banned. For the record I didn’t ask for this or anything and was completely blindsided when I got a notification in my inbox. But a mod over there did respond with this:
So I’m unbanned from the community because a mod could find no reason that made sense why I was banned.
Tell me how that doesn’t unilaterally prove that Moss was indeed just banning people over petty ass reasons?
i am positively tickled at the shining example of all the users to just pick up and move due to shitty moderation, proving the process and idealism behind the fediverse. mods only have the power users as a community allow them to.
For real. We did the exact same thing at [email protected]. Shitty moderators of Risa compounded with outright personal harassment and abuse from the admins of Startrek.website forced my hand in making TenForward. It took a week for everyone to leave Risa and come over to us. I went back to look at Startrek.website earlier today and now it’s effectively a fucking ghost town. Insanely low engagement. Christ, I made a happy birthday post to TenForward 14 hours ago that has 7 times as many upvotes as an Admin post on Startrek.website saying they have a new logo and new emojis that was posted 3 days ago.
Fediverse is wonderful.
So long as fediverse regulars get used to abandoning toxic comms and restarting them in other instances, we’ll have a very good mentality
I’ve done it once. More than enough practice to be able to do it again now if needed lol
Honestly, if we can get the UIs to handle multi-comms, or at least merged comments, then being dispersed to multiple comms wouldn’t be a big issue
One of these days… Lemmy has already come a surprisingly long way. Things will crank out more, even if we end up on some other Lemmy fork.
Indeed. I have so many ideas but I’m limited by the software. Even created threativore to handle things like custom flairs etc, but I’m struggling to find someone to onboard it onto a UI
If I had any fingers in any dev pies I’d start pushing at people for it. I can definitely keep it in mind at the very least. I dunno why or how I talk with so many Lemmy admins but might as well make something out of it lol
Ye, if you can help I’d appreciate it. I have all these nice custom flair and no way to show them off! :D
Too bad it was moved to lemmy.world.
I know the admins on lemmy.world and had discussions with them ahead of time. It was the better instance for me and for what I was going with for /c/TenForward. Db0 was a close second.
Fwiw, choosing LW a year ago was quite a different choice than today - and not merely bc of hindsight I mean.
I would say it was a right call for back then, with everything moving towards centralization to help with the Rexodus as people got used to the idea of federation in general and the apps and such. People went to LW, then from that base, branched out and discovered more of the wider world beyond it.
Now, if such a migration had to be done TODAY, I would absolutely recommend against it. Yet [email protected] literally helped the entire Threadiverse grow! 🪴 And now it’s grandfathered in, so it should be new communities not established ones to find new homes, e.g. [email protected] rather than [email protected], and we put new communities elsewhere e.g. [email protected] and [email protected], etc. to help spread the load.
It’s all good.:-) So long as LW admins don’t start requiring you to allow flat earth comments - which they came super close to doing but at the last moment rescinded. I guess we’ll see what the future holds.:-)
Oh I openly criticized their decision to remove comments about Jury Nullification in the wake of the Luigi shooting too. Said that I would refuse to remove any comments from TenForward if any popped up and I stand by that.
If the admins want to remove me and the community, then they’re allowed. That’s their prerogative. But Star Trek stands for something quite specific and I fully back it. I am not allowing misinformation or censorship and I’ll toss in a couple Trek quotes to back me up.
Starfleet as fuck.
To be honest I stood with them on that one, at least as best I understood the facts though I preemptively should state that I may have been wildly off:-). A moratorium on such content for a handful of days while they research the legalities - that like CP could legit land someone in actual jail - seemed appropriate to me.
The details matter there - and again I am not fully aware of them - like what country the instance itself is located in (I don’t even recall?), and what the ramifications are of allowing such discussions, both there and in their target nations. I guess the majority part of what I’m saying is that having such discussions are one thing, if decided upon in advance, but if the admins were surprised and nervous and worried about whether the entire instance could be taken down, due to EU rules or whatever, then that panic on their part made sense to me? And sure enough, they relented and now I think discussions on exactly and precisely that topic are allowed, iirc?
Overall though, the continuation of the Threadiverse is too important to allow one single discussion here or there to threaten the entire thing. Bc if instances running Lemmy end up getting banned in the USA, for example, that only leaves the likes of corporatified Reddit, X, Facebook, and I guess Bluesky now. And those are horrible options (even as Lemmy is not ideal itself, yet it does expand upon someone’s choices and that is fucking superb:-). So anyway, I am sympathetic to their panic response in that particular situation (far less so to the subsequent whole deal with the flat earth points, and at least the jury nullification issue in isolation I felt like I understood that). Modding is a hard job (as I know that you know!:-) and I can only imagine how the responsibilities differ for an admin, with their irl actual name exposed to the legal authorities and vulnerable in ways that none of us here are, as mere users or even mods, unless we choose it - but for them, it’s not a choice, they must expose that in order to comply with the legalities.
That would have been cool
The deciding factor was the number of admins. I was getting bombarded with harassment from the admins of Startrek.website from the second I left the website. When I set up the first StarTrekMemes shitty one, a precusor to TenForward, it was done out of haste. After that, I started dealing with what ValueSubtracted was throwing at me harassment wise. I was in conversation at that point with a couple of admins from Lemmy.world who were getting borderline harassed by ValueSubtracted themselves. Lemmy.world had more admins to be able to ‘spread that across’. I didn’t want to overload @[email protected] with a mountain of hostile nonsense from a bunch of children. I knew VS was going to do his petty shit no matter what unless I just deleted my account entirely. I refused to let that pissbaby win but I wanted to do it in a way that caused the least amount of damage possible.
That’s… messed up. How is that instance still online after this?
Oh it was insanely messed up. When TenForward was finally up and running and things going smoothly, they then started going after the admins of my fucking mastodon account. Was at that point the harassment got to such an insane extent that I finally made it public. They went into a fucking panic. I made the post here. Both admins from StarTrek.website had to come over and try to lie using secondary accounts to try and cover their tracks but were repeatedly called out and pointed out to be alts. ValueSubtracted and Corgana then both started abusing the report function to report anyone who even talked about the situation as well as my post itself. Admins had to ask me what was going on because they started saying I was trying to cause an “inter-instance war”.
It is perhaps a surprise to absolutely no one that Corgana (otherwise known as SysAdmin) and ValueSubtracted, the two admins of Startrek.website, are also the two who ran /r/StarTrek into the fucking ground and forced the opening of several other Star Trek subreddits to escape them.
If you’re at all curious about the shit that happened, the post is here and goes into a lot of detail. I use as many screenshots as humanly possible because I didn’t want them, in any way, being able to claim that I was lying. Funnily enough? They never did. They just made every other complaint under the sun.
As for how it is online? They banned me and even banned people who were talking about what happened to me. They openly censored shit on their instance to make sure no one who was only on ST.W knew what they did. At this point they’re just openly taking peoples money from Patreon and more than likely feeding off of the extra while putting the bare minimum into upkeep. They constantly had development problems when I was on there. I was even asking admins of lemmy.world questions to help admins of Startrek.website.
The whole instance is a wash.
It definitely took me a while to catch on. As you laid out, all by design. I eventually got suspicious enough to browse from another instance (possibly my old kbin account, I don’t remember if social was dead by then but it was definitely having issues) only to see the metric shitton of shenanigans. Moved my account to slrpnk the same day.
I hate when this shit happens to good peeps who do so much to contribute to the threadiverse. I’m glad you had thick enough skin to handle it instead of going away!
I really loved it too. Quite nice to see when members own a community nowadays