Everything exactly the way I wanted? People are upset about funding genocide Holmes, what the fuck are you talking about?
Edit: I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, everyone is supposed to just be cool with genocide and deserve derision and mockery if they aren’t? What the fuck happened to empathy?
No, you’re not supposed to be cool with funding genocide. The problem is that BOTH SIDES support the genocide, so you have to look at what other things differentiate them, like one side also wanting to kill LGBTQ people and immigrants, for example. The best option is damage mitigation, not sitting back and letting the greater evil win.
Framing anyone unhappy with genocide as a purity testing lefty who didn’t get everything they wanted so they pouted and sat out the election is wildly blasé, however, and its gross that that’s a popular sentiment here.
It’s reasonable, because most people whining about supporting Israel’s genocide don’t acknowledge that it’s a policy of the US government that anybody who could ever win an election would also support. It’s unconscionable, it’s horrible, it’s a crime against humanity, but it’s also not a factor in choosing who to vote for to cause the least harm in a shitty first past the post system.
I’ll always be amazed at the neo liberal tendency to believe you can be as atrocious as you want because you’re the “good guys”. It’s the voters fault they didn’t vote for your candidate after all, the Harris and the Biden campaigns were both run perfectly. The Democrats were entitled to the presidency, but the population is just too stupid.
You must understand that Democrat voters are insanely racist and do not see Palestinians as human. They saw it as a side-issue because it does not affect them. This is showcased by their current disregard of the Democrats complicity in the genocide.
They do not care one single bit about brown people being slaughtered in droves by Joe Biden. They are now in glee those brown people were slaughtered.
Yeah, now we just get continued and worsened genocide in Gaza and an even faster decline into fascism in the United States! This was definitely worth it to stick it to the Dems!
And before you call me a lib, I’m not. I just have 2 brain cells to rub together and understood that voting 3rd party is sadly a complete and utter waste of time in our system. I also understood that letting Trump get elected was going to make things far, far worse like it already has.
Dems were far from perfect and aren’t much better than the Republicans, but they are still better. I would love it if the socialist party or at least one leftist party could get elected, but I live under this fucked up system and until it’s gone, we’re stuck with 2 parties. At least until Trump or Elon bans Democrats from existing. Neither party will change that, but one of them is definitively better than the other
Just one more Democrat win bro and they’ll stop the sliding into fascism, just one more win. Look at us we have Bush on our side now, you hated him before but we just had to beat him once and now he’s on our side look. We have Cheney now, you hated Cheney but look we’re best pals. Just let us beat Trump and we’ll make it better. Oh look Trump is on our side now against mega-hitler, let’s beat mega-hitler this time and all your troubles will be over. Just one more Democratic win why won’t you trust us.
All the while actively fighting the progressives in their own party. Trump didn’t win, Democrats lost, hard. Take ownership. Learn. Do better.
Look how casually this person talks about genocide. Refusing to participate in the modern day Holocaust started by the Democrats is “sticking it to the dems”. Absolutely zero care for the massacared non white women and children.
At least be honest and say you do not care about brown people and think Trump will personally affect you worse.
Damn, now I’m just “this person”? I care immensely about the Palestinian people dying, thanks very much. I’m just being realistic about our options. In what possible way was sitting this out and letting Trump take over better for literally anybody in the world at all? Forget skin color, Trump and Elon taking over is bad for everybody expect the uber wealthy.
Just rolling over and letting a man who admitted he’d be a dictator on day one as well as saying he’d rather destroy Gaza than find a peaceful solution was definitely worth it to stick it to the Dems!
How is Trump in office relevant to Genocide Joe? Did Genocide Joe not do genocide because Trump is in office now?
So far Trump is doing a bang on job of uniting the entire world including Europe against Israel.
As for Ukraine sure. But Ukraine had already been abandoned by Biden. If America wanted Ukraine to win they would have sent them the weapons they needed at the beginning of the war. Not after 3 years.
I’ve been trying to explain this to people for about a year.
Support of Israel is non-negotiable in US politics. 95% of the political establishment supports whatever they want to do. So, it’s not at all about Biden. Want to say Genocide US, sure, that makes sense. Pinning it on Biden just managed to slam him in an election year. The main point is that sure, after criticizing them, we didn’t get Kamala or Biden, who had bad Palestine policies, but instead got someone worse who is also worse on basically every issue. Environment, labor, and financial regulation, human rights abroad, LGBT rights, policing, everything.
Ukraine had not been abandoned by Biden? They sent them something like $120 billion in arms right before Trump took office. What’s Trump going to send? Nothing, most likely. I’m not sure what you’re getting at there. The US has obviously given lots of support to Ukraine. Democrats have been all for it; Republicans have kicked up a fuss and said a bunch of bullshit about it, and now they’re in charge.
It sure is strange to beliefs shoved into the mouths of millions of people like that. “Insanely racist” and “don’t see Palestine’s as human” is just about the stupidest and most ridiculous thing you could say about, of all voting demographics, the left in the US. Inane insulting nonsense like this is why people on lemmy don’t take the rest of your opinions seriously.
Sorry but if you live in the US, then for 200+ years there have been two candidates each election with a chance of winning. If you wanted to cut off your nose to spite your face by not voting for Biden, which objectively only helped Trump, then congrats, you made everything worse for everyone. And that includes the Israel-Palestine conflict.
A thousand small cuts are how you ended up with fascism. If you liberals joined the left in pushing back against the right-wing slide of the Democratic party in election after election after election after election then FUCKING GENOCIDE wouldn’t have been the breaking point you dumb complacent losers.
Lol it’s the other way around. The “thousand small cuts” leading to Trump winning is that conservatives will consistently vote for a candidate as long as they support a single issue they care about (such as abortion). And liberals will consistently not vote for a candidate if they don’t support an issue they care about (such as Palestine).
People like you being ok with fracturing the left because of ideological puritanism versus the right being willing to coalesce around a despot who throws them a few bones is why Trump won.
Lol my way is to vote for the best of two candidates which does work and has objectively led to progress, if slowly. Just over 100 years ago we had legalized segregation and women couldn’t vote. 200 years ago we had literal slavery.
By comparison your suggestion is to not vote if you don’t get your perfect candidate. Do you want to point to a single example in the 200 year history of the US, or any country for matter, where that worked?
lol this liberal identifies more with MLK, Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers than he does with the people who were making these same tired arguments in the face of their political action and demands.
You’re not like them, voting isn’t what won those rights.
You’re not like them, voting isn’t what won those rights.
Lol this is such a comical statement it’s clear I’m talking to someone who can’t be reasoned with.
But you know what, keep doing what you do, don’t vote. I’ll be comfortable knowing you have literally no influence on anything because you’re too dumb to use the means provided to you to make a change.
Genuine change comes from grassroots organization and pressure, not beginning and ending your influence by voting. And yes, I voted for Harris. This is still entirely on the Democrats for failing to represent and advocate for what the majority of their constituents wanted at the cost of a incredibly important election
“Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue,” King wrote. “It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored.”
MLK Jr. on the nature of nonviolent protests
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom
Everything exactly the way I wanted? People are upset about funding genocide Holmes, what the fuck are you talking about?
Edit: I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, everyone is supposed to just be cool with genocide and deserve derision and mockery if they aren’t? What the fuck happened to empathy?
No, you’re not supposed to be cool with funding genocide. The problem is that BOTH SIDES support the genocide, so you have to look at what other things differentiate them, like one side also wanting to kill LGBTQ people and immigrants, for example. The best option is damage mitigation, not sitting back and letting the greater evil win.
Yes, I don’t disagree. That’s what i did.
Framing anyone unhappy with genocide as a purity testing lefty who didn’t get everything they wanted so they pouted and sat out the election is wildly blasé, however, and its gross that that’s a popular sentiment here.
It’s reasonable, because most people whining about supporting Israel’s genocide don’t acknowledge that it’s a policy of the US government that anybody who could ever win an election would also support. It’s unconscionable, it’s horrible, it’s a crime against humanity, but it’s also not a factor in choosing who to vote for to cause the least harm in a shitty first past the post system.
I’ll always be amazed that in a discussion about how stupid something is, people do the same stupid thing.
I’ll always be amazed at the neo liberal tendency to believe you can be as atrocious as you want because you’re the “good guys”. It’s the voters fault they didn’t vote for your candidate after all, the Harris and the Biden campaigns were both run perfectly. The Democrats were entitled to the presidency, but the population is just too stupid.
You must understand that Democrat voters are insanely racist and do not see Palestinians as human. They saw it as a side-issue because it does not affect them. This is showcased by their current disregard of the Democrats complicity in the genocide.
They do not care one single bit about brown people being slaughtered in droves by Joe Biden. They are now in glee those brown people were slaughtered.
Yeah, now we just get continued and worsened genocide in Gaza and an even faster decline into fascism in the United States! This was definitely worth it to stick it to the Dems!
And before you call me a lib, I’m not. I just have 2 brain cells to rub together and understood that voting 3rd party is sadly a complete and utter waste of time in our system. I also understood that letting Trump get elected was going to make things far, far worse like it already has.
Dems were far from perfect and aren’t much better than the Republicans, but they are still better. I would love it if the socialist party or at least one leftist party could get elected, but I live under this fucked up system and until it’s gone, we’re stuck with 2 parties. At least until Trump or Elon bans Democrats from existing. Neither party will change that, but one of them is definitively better than the other
Just one more Democrat win bro and they’ll stop the sliding into fascism, just one more win. Look at us we have Bush on our side now, you hated him before but we just had to beat him once and now he’s on our side look. We have Cheney now, you hated Cheney but look we’re best pals. Just let us beat Trump and we’ll make it better. Oh look Trump is on our side now against mega-hitler, let’s beat mega-hitler this time and all your troubles will be over. Just one more Democratic win why won’t you trust us.
All the while actively fighting the progressives in their own party. Trump didn’t win, Democrats lost, hard. Take ownership. Learn. Do better.
Look how casually this person talks about genocide. Refusing to participate in the modern day Holocaust started by the Democrats is “sticking it to the dems”. Absolutely zero care for the massacared non white women and children.
At least be honest and say you do not care about brown people and think Trump will personally affect you worse.
Damn, now I’m just “this person”? I care immensely about the Palestinian people dying, thanks very much. I’m just being realistic about our options. In what possible way was sitting this out and letting Trump take over better for literally anybody in the world at all? Forget skin color, Trump and Elon taking over is bad for everybody expect the uber wealthy.
Just rolling over and letting a man who admitted he’d be a dictator on day one as well as saying he’d rather destroy Gaza than find a peaceful solution was definitely worth it to stick it to the Dems!
Unlike the Dems who were… Destroyed Gaza.
This video is about you. Watch it if you want to understand your own extreme racism. https://youtu.be/EEHmonK817w?t=7s
By calling you “this person” they showed more empathy than you still can’t seem to muster up for Palestinians.
People opposing the Holocaust just wanted to stick it to Hitler I guess.
That’s great but please explain how Trumo being in office is going to help.
Do you care about Ukraine?
How is Trump in office relevant to Genocide Joe? Did Genocide Joe not do genocide because Trump is in office now?
So far Trump is doing a bang on job of uniting the entire world including Europe against Israel.
As for Ukraine sure. But Ukraine had already been abandoned by Biden. If America wanted Ukraine to win they would have sent them the weapons they needed at the beginning of the war. Not after 3 years.
I’ve been trying to explain this to people for about a year.
Support of Israel is non-negotiable in US politics. 95% of the political establishment supports whatever they want to do. So, it’s not at all about Biden. Want to say Genocide US, sure, that makes sense. Pinning it on Biden just managed to slam him in an election year. The main point is that sure, after criticizing them, we didn’t get Kamala or Biden, who had bad Palestine policies, but instead got someone worse who is also worse on basically every issue. Environment, labor, and financial regulation, human rights abroad, LGBT rights, policing, everything.
Ukraine had not been abandoned by Biden? They sent them something like $120 billion in arms right before Trump took office. What’s Trump going to send? Nothing, most likely. I’m not sure what you’re getting at there. The US has obviously given lots of support to Ukraine. Democrats have been all for it; Republicans have kicked up a fuss and said a bunch of bullshit about it, and now they’re in charge.
It sure is strange to beliefs shoved into the mouths of millions of people like that. “Insanely racist” and “don’t see Palestine’s as human” is just about the stupidest and most ridiculous thing you could say about, of all voting demographics, the left in the US. Inane insulting nonsense like this is why people on lemmy don’t take the rest of your opinions seriously.
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Yup, I helped elect trump by voting for Harris. Great analysis.
Sorry, I interpreted your post as sarcasm. I must have been too caught up in the onslaught of “genorcide Joe” stupidity here.
Sorry but if you live in the US, then for 200+ years there have been two candidates each election with a chance of winning. If you wanted to cut off your nose to spite your face by not voting for Biden, which objectively only helped Trump, then congrats, you made everything worse for everyone. And that includes the Israel-Palestine conflict.
A thousand small cuts are how you ended up with fascism. If you liberals joined the left in pushing back against the right-wing slide of the Democratic party in election after election after election after election then FUCKING GENOCIDE wouldn’t have been the breaking point you dumb complacent losers.
Lol it’s the other way around. The “thousand small cuts” leading to Trump winning is that conservatives will consistently vote for a candidate as long as they support a single issue they care about (such as abortion). And liberals will consistently not vote for a candidate if they don’t support an issue they care about (such as Palestine).
People like you being ok with fracturing the left because of ideological puritanism versus the right being willing to coalesce around a despot who throws them a few bones is why Trump won.
sure man your way is working no problem keep at it bud just vote harder next time.
it’s all upvotes and ballots, that’s all you gotta do man. we didn’t vote hard enough, our bad.
Lol my way is to vote for the best of two candidates which does work and has objectively led to progress, if slowly. Just over 100 years ago we had legalized segregation and women couldn’t vote. 200 years ago we had literal slavery.
By comparison your suggestion is to not vote if you don’t get your perfect candidate. Do you want to point to a single example in the 200 year history of the US, or any country for matter, where that worked?
lol this liberal identifies more with MLK, Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers than he does with the people who were making these same tired arguments in the face of their political action and demands.
You’re not like them, voting isn’t what won those rights.
Lol this is such a comical statement it’s clear I’m talking to someone who can’t be reasoned with.
But you know what, keep doing what you do, don’t vote. I’ll be comfortable knowing you have literally no influence on anything because you’re too dumb to use the means provided to you to make a change.
Genuine change comes from grassroots organization and pressure, not beginning and ending your influence by voting. And yes, I voted for Harris. This is still entirely on the Democrats for failing to represent and advocate for what the majority of their constituents wanted at the cost of a incredibly important election
Daddy please give me more means to make change. No? Ok daddy.
I voted for Harris.