That kind of stuff annoys me because they don’t recognize their behavior is entirely based on politics not health.
Like there are some religions that don’t allow some medical treatment… I don’t like that but I understand it. “I might die but if I do this treatment I might go to hell for all eternity… So I chose death”
This is different. This is “I believe the covid shot and/or vaccinations have negative health effects… So I chose death to avoid the risk… Of negative health effects”
You clearly aren’t worried about the health concerns. You’re just being an idiot.
It, unfortunately, reminds me of the parents who would rather have their child die from an easily-preventable disease than vaccinate them and risk their child “turning” autistic. As if it’s a fate worse than death.
It actually is. Being autistic with those kinds of parents is absolutely horrible for everyone involved. Everyone deserves love and care and having parents that aren’t educated enough or care enough to be educated to know the cause for the neurotypical child is absolutely a bad sign.
Like it can be scary to have to care for someone unlike yourself, but you signed up for it when you had a crotch goblin.
Sorry I work with a lot of autistic kids and they’re so sweet and don’t deserve bad parents 😭
“It actually is?” It actually is a fate worse than death? You’re saying those autistic kids would be better off dead from a horrible disease because they have bad parents?
I am very concerned about the kids you work with if that is the case.
I’ll clarify bc yeah it’s pretty hyperbolic bc I was really upset at the time.
These kinds of parents are very likely to abuse and mistreat autistic kids bc they’re different and try to force them to conform to being “normal” which can stunt their growth and well-being.
I read that as “It’s a fate worse than death for those kids whose parents think it’s a fate worse than death.”
Essentially that being misinformed about how “bad” being on the spectrum is makes their kids’ lives actively worse due to how they treat or deal with their kids. Instead of adopting an approach that regards their kids as people with different brain processes they stick to old fashioned ideas of treating them like misbehaving problem children. This makes the kids’ lives harder, which in turn makes the parents worse. I’d guess this is where the autism vaccine “community” gets their “special attitudes” from, just frustrated people hitting their heads against the wall repeatedly and becoming more dogmatic (and shitty about spectrumy things, by what must be complete coincidence).
I’m from a part of the world where the average person is still very misinformed about this type of thing. It’s pretty common for kids who are far enough on the spectrum to essentially be treated as shut-ins. It’s getting better but it’s still quite bad.
Well then you read it wrong. These are parents who have no problem letting their child die from measles because the alternative is they have autism, which the parents think is worse.
And I’m not sure why you’re not aware of that antivaxxer stance.
I think it’s just regional. The average anti vaccine person here is specifically concerned about the HPV vaccine causing ovary (?) issues (cancer?), as well as the COVID vaccine bullshit that’s popular all over the world.
Links between autism and (MMR?) vaccines are not a relevant connection at all here. Also all schools require measles vaccination (as well as a whole bunch of others I definitely wouldn’t know off the top of my head) so it’s not particularly controversial.
Just the HPV one, just for girls, and then COVID brainrot for everyone else. Our Palestinian cousins just a border (and a half) away used to get “vaccines” that were just chemical sterilization, so we’re primed to assume the worst. And that kind of thinking is very hard to tackle, but it is a different social contagion than what you’re describing. There’s much more “The West/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Chinese/Americans/French/Rothchilds/Trump/Democrats/Media want to make our little boys into infertile burgeoning transes” thinking here. Totally normal and functional country, just like the one you’re from :D
I don’t know where “here” is, but Wakefield sure did damage in a lot of the Western world. And if you are aware that it is a relevant connection in other parts of the world, I’m not sure why you thought I was talking about specifically where you live.
It feels like you’re just trying to excuse parents who would rather let their child die from something they could have vaccinated them for rather than have an autistic child. If they just can’t bare raising an autistic child, put them up for adoption. Even foster care is better than dying from measles. I think you need to read what that’s like.
I don’t disagree with any of the opinions you’ve taken the time to write out. I just think you’re taking the phrase “fate worse than death” a little too literally. @[email protected] is understandably humanizing the “bad” parents a little, because they’re in a hard position and aren’t equipped to handle it (whether they should know better or not). And the Lemmy demographic (like the Reddit one we both come from) tends to look at anti-vax people as less than human. Most of them aren’t quite as far gone as the people we see in this sub. I feel like “mildly”-convinced anti-vax parents, upon (understandably) getting treated like complete shit (which I agree is what they’re behaving like), are primed to double down and triple down. I’m not sure that helps them come around.
My point was that the anti-vax social contagion is different in different places. There are echoes of Wakefield in the problem all over the world, but it’s not a one-size-fits-all fix for a singular issue. I’m trying to add something to the conversation that I think makes a more fleshed out discussion. Our anti-vax problem is different than yours in a few ways. That’s important, I think.
You really think a comment ending with “Sorry I work with a lot of autistic kids and they’re so sweet and don’t deserve bad parents 😭” is also literally saying these kids are better off dead than with said bad parents? I don’t think you do. For what it’s worth, I’ve also worked with autistic kids. I think they’re precious kids just like any other. I certainly think they’re better off alive.
If I may, Squid, I’ve seen you all over Lemmy since I joined when the API popped, and I think you might just be the most prolific early adopter of the Lemmyverse. I’ve probably upvoted a hundred of comments and posts you’ve made (and probably downvoted a handful). But I’ll occasionally find you buried in a comment thread like this, stuck in a back and forth over absolutely nothing with someone that isn’t even directly disagreeing with you. Reading too much into a common expression is a waste of both our time, wouldn’t you think? I’m off Reddit and social media in general specifically to get away from that kind of thing, man. I don’t mean to be patronizing but come on we both know there was nothing sinister to push back against here, besides the most mild of mildly abrasive language.
I’ve been working on deprogramming my coworker for a few weeks and the only thing that’s made her budge on COVID is learning that, despite not having any existing conditions, it almost killed me…and DID kill a guy on the jobsite we caught it at. She simply didn’t believe it was that deadly.
It’s still extremely stupid but not for the same. Many people are VERY worried about the health concerns because they think vaccine complications are significantly more common and deadly so it’s a choice between “maybe getting sick for a week” and “permanently tainting my blood with this poison” - not to mention the number of people who think there’s 5G antennas in there or whatever.
That kind of stuff annoys me because they don’t recognize their behavior is entirely based on politics not health.
Like there are some religions that don’t allow some medical treatment… I don’t like that but I understand it. “I might die but if I do this treatment I might go to hell for all eternity… So I chose death”
This is different. This is “I believe the covid shot and/or vaccinations have negative health effects… So I chose death to avoid the risk… Of negative health effects”
You clearly aren’t worried about the health concerns. You’re just being an idiot.
It, unfortunately, reminds me of the parents who would rather have their child die from an easily-preventable disease than vaccinate them and risk their child “turning” autistic. As if it’s a fate worse than death.
It actually is. Being autistic with those kinds of parents is absolutely horrible for everyone involved. Everyone deserves love and care and having parents that aren’t educated enough or care enough to be educated to know the cause for the neurotypical child is absolutely a bad sign.
Like it can be scary to have to care for someone unlike yourself, but you signed up for it when you had a crotch goblin.
Sorry I work with a lot of autistic kids and they’re so sweet and don’t deserve bad parents 😭
“It actually is?” It actually is a fate worse than death? You’re saying those autistic kids would be better off dead from a horrible disease because they have bad parents?
I am very concerned about the kids you work with if that is the case.
I’ll clarify bc yeah it’s pretty hyperbolic bc I was really upset at the time.
These kinds of parents are very likely to abuse and mistreat autistic kids bc they’re different and try to force them to conform to being “normal” which can stunt their growth and well-being.
I read that as “It’s a fate worse than death for those kids whose parents think it’s a fate worse than death.”
Essentially that being misinformed about how “bad” being on the spectrum is makes their kids’ lives actively worse due to how they treat or deal with their kids. Instead of adopting an approach that regards their kids as people with different brain processes they stick to old fashioned ideas of treating them like misbehaving problem children. This makes the kids’ lives harder, which in turn makes the parents worse. I’d guess this is where the autism vaccine “community” gets their “special attitudes” from, just frustrated people hitting their heads against the wall repeatedly and becoming more dogmatic (and shitty about spectrumy things, by what must be complete coincidence).
I’m from a part of the world where the average person is still very misinformed about this type of thing. It’s pretty common for kids who are far enough on the spectrum to essentially be treated as shut-ins. It’s getting better but it’s still quite bad.
Well then you read it wrong. These are parents who have no problem letting their child die from measles because the alternative is they have autism, which the parents think is worse.
And I’m not sure why you’re not aware of that antivaxxer stance.
I think it’s just regional. The average anti vaccine person here is specifically concerned about the HPV vaccine causing ovary (?) issues (cancer?), as well as the COVID vaccine bullshit that’s popular all over the world.
Links between autism and (MMR?) vaccines are not a relevant connection at all here. Also all schools require measles vaccination (as well as a whole bunch of others I definitely wouldn’t know off the top of my head) so it’s not particularly controversial.
Just the HPV one, just for girls, and then COVID brainrot for everyone else. Our Palestinian cousins just a border (and a half) away used to get “vaccines” that were just chemical sterilization, so we’re primed to assume the worst. And that kind of thinking is very hard to tackle, but it is a different social contagion than what you’re describing. There’s much more “The West/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Chinese/Americans/French/Rothchilds/Trump/Democrats/Media want to make our little boys into infertile burgeoning transes” thinking here. Totally normal and functional country, just like the one you’re from :D
I don’t know where “here” is, but Wakefield sure did damage in a lot of the Western world. And if you are aware that it is a relevant connection in other parts of the world, I’m not sure why you thought I was talking about specifically where you live.
It feels like you’re just trying to excuse parents who would rather let their child die from something they could have vaccinated them for rather than have an autistic child. If they just can’t bare raising an autistic child, put them up for adoption. Even foster care is better than dying from measles. I think you need to read what that’s like.
I don’t disagree with any of the opinions you’ve taken the time to write out. I just think you’re taking the phrase “fate worse than death” a little too literally. @[email protected] is understandably humanizing the “bad” parents a little, because they’re in a hard position and aren’t equipped to handle it (whether they should know better or not). And the Lemmy demographic (like the Reddit one we both come from) tends to look at anti-vax people as less than human. Most of them aren’t quite as far gone as the people we see in this sub. I feel like “mildly”-convinced anti-vax parents, upon (understandably) getting treated like complete shit (which I agree is what they’re behaving like), are primed to double down and triple down. I’m not sure that helps them come around.
My point was that the anti-vax social contagion is different in different places. There are echoes of Wakefield in the problem all over the world, but it’s not a one-size-fits-all fix for a singular issue. I’m trying to add something to the conversation that I think makes a more fleshed out discussion. Our anti-vax problem is different than yours in a few ways. That’s important, I think.
You really think a comment ending with “Sorry I work with a lot of autistic kids and they’re so sweet and don’t deserve bad parents 😭” is also literally saying these kids are better off dead than with said bad parents? I don’t think you do. For what it’s worth, I’ve also worked with autistic kids. I think they’re precious kids just like any other. I certainly think they’re better off alive.
If I may, Squid, I’ve seen you all over Lemmy since I joined when the API popped, and I think you might just be the most prolific early adopter of the Lemmyverse. I’ve probably upvoted a hundred of comments and posts you’ve made (and probably downvoted a handful). But I’ll occasionally find you buried in a comment thread like this, stuck in a back and forth over absolutely nothing with someone that isn’t even directly disagreeing with you. Reading too much into a common expression is a waste of both our time, wouldn’t you think? I’m off Reddit and social media in general specifically to get away from that kind of thing, man. I don’t mean to be patronizing but come on we both know there was nothing sinister to push back against here, besides the most mild of mildly abrasive language.
It’s not that for everyone.
I’ve been working on deprogramming my coworker for a few weeks and the only thing that’s made her budge on COVID is learning that, despite not having any existing conditions, it almost killed me…and DID kill a guy on the jobsite we caught it at. She simply didn’t believe it was that deadly.
It’s still extremely stupid but not for the same. Many people are VERY worried about the health concerns because they think vaccine complications are significantly more common and deadly so it’s a choice between “maybe getting sick for a week” and “permanently tainting my blood with this poison” - not to mention the number of people who think there’s 5G antennas in there or whatever.