The reason for a clean shutdown is to permit flushing data to the disk. By the time that the OS has gone down, that’s happened. One can just shut off the power once that shutdown has completed.
The largest issue with unclean shutdowns was that at one point in time, the filesystems used (FAT on Windows, HFS on MacOS, ext2 on Linux) could become corrupt if power was cut at arbitrary times. This has been addressed with later filesystems. Only FAT still sees much use, principally on USB flash drives and SD cards, due to the ability of many operating systems and devices to understand it. While some userspace software can deal poorly with having power cut – I particularly wouldn’t do it while updating an OS – generally shutting down a computer uncleanly isn’t nearly as problematic any more.
What’s the cost of leaving a computer on, some small amount of power usage? A reboot will log a user out, so there’s no risk of leaving an unattended, logged-in computer. I have my monitor power off, but I don’t normally shut down my desktop when leaving it unattended.
Idle power is not usually that high unless you are talking about a multi socket server.
A gaming PC is usually less than 100W and an office PC is usually less than 25W at idle.
25W still adds up. General rule of thumb is to add a zero to the wattage to get the cost to run it for a year. I don’t want to spend $250 a year letting my computer idle.
That’s some hella expensive electricity you’re buying there. I’m getting mine at 14 cents/kWh, which is roughly 1.2€/W per year. This isn’t even close to the cheapest option available.
You know what, you’re right. Idk what the fuck I was thinking. I must have misremembered the math from the last time I did it.
I swear I did the math like a year ago and it added up, but that’s clearly a false memory. It’s closer to $1 per watt per year. I downvoted my own comment
Lots of people leave their computers running 24/7, though. The TLC said the power draw would be small, so I just wanted to point out that what might look like a negligible amount of power can add up to be more than youd expect.
I mean, a beefy GPU could be ~400W, and a beefy CPU another ~200W. But that’s peak draw from those components, which are designed to drastically reduce power consumption if they aren’t actually under load. You don’t have to power down the components in sleep/hibernation to achieve that – they can already reduce runtime power themselves. One shouldn’t normally have software significantly loading those (especially after a reboot). If you’ve got something that is doing crunching in idle time to that degree, like, I don’t know, SETI@Home or something, then you probably don’t want it shut off.
The reason fans can “spin up” on the CPU and the GPU when they’re under load is because they’re dissipating much more heat, which is because they’re drawing much more power.
The reason for a clean shutdown is to permit flushing data to the disk. By the time that the OS has gone down, that’s happened. One can just shut off the power once that shutdown has completed.
The largest issue with unclean shutdowns was that at one point in time, the filesystems used (FAT on Windows, HFS on MacOS, ext2 on Linux) could become corrupt if power was cut at arbitrary times. This has been addressed with later filesystems. Only FAT still sees much use, principally on USB flash drives and SD cards, due to the ability of many operating systems and devices to understand it. While some userspace software can deal poorly with having power cut – I particularly wouldn’t do it while updating an OS – generally shutting down a computer uncleanly isn’t nearly as problematic any more.
What’s the cost of leaving a computer on, some small amount of power usage? A reboot will log a user out, so there’s no risk of leaving an unattended, logged-in computer. I have my monitor power off, but I don’t normally shut down my desktop when leaving it unattended.
It depends on the computer, but the power usage could easily be 250W+. While not a ton of power, it adds up quickly.
But that’s only if you don’t have your computer set to sleep/hibernate
Idle power is not usually that high unless you are talking about a multi socket server.
A gaming PC is usually less than 100W and an office PC is usually less than 25W at idle.
Wasting 25 W while entering and leaving sleep mode is a matter of 5 key strokes and 3 seconds?
25W still adds up. General rule of thumb is to add a zero to the wattage to get the cost to run it for a year. I don’t want to spend $250 a year letting my computer idle.I definitely misremembered things
That’s some hella expensive electricity you’re buying there. I’m getting mine at 14 cents/kWh, which is roughly 1.2€/W per year. This isn’t even close to the cheapest option available.
You know what, you’re right. Idk what the fuck I was thinking. I must have misremembered the math from the last time I did it.
I swear I did the math like a year ago and it added up, but that’s clearly a false memory. It’s closer to $1 per watt per year. I downvoted my own comment
It could’ve been closer to the truth in 2022. At least in Europe when the energy prices skyrocketed I think I paid closer to 1€/kWh.
Maybe it was 2022. Working from home has fucked my perception of time.
That calculation only makes sense if you never shut down your computer, instead of only when you accidentally hit “restart” and need to go right away.
Lots of people leave their computers running 24/7, though. The TLC said the power draw would be small, so I just wanted to point out that what might look like a negligible amount of power can add up to be more than youd expect.
That’s not really what’s being discussed here, though. There’s a big difference between doing it all the time and only doing it once in a blue moon.
I mean, a beefy GPU could be ~400W, and a beefy CPU another ~200W. But that’s peak draw from those components, which are designed to drastically reduce power consumption if they aren’t actually under load. You don’t have to power down the components in sleep/hibernation to achieve that – they can already reduce runtime power themselves. One shouldn’t normally have software significantly loading those (especially after a reboot). If you’ve got something that is doing crunching in idle time to that degree, like, I don’t know, SETI@Home or something, then you probably don’t want it shut off.
The reason fans can “spin up” on the CPU and the GPU when they’re under load is because they’re dissipating much more heat, which is because they’re drawing much more power.