IMO hobbies are different. I do a hobby because I enjoy the activity, but it doesn’t necessarily give me purpose. A job (or more specifically a career) gives me purpose even if I don’t always enjoy the day to day work. At a higher level I do enjoy my job, and it gives me a reason to get up each day and tackle problems I otherwise wouldn’t seek out.
I’ve often said if I won’t the lottery and didn’t need to work to survive, I’d still take a job (or at least full time volunteer) because it’s not natural to sit around and just do whatever activities attract your attention each day. It’s important to be challenged and pushed to do things you otherwise wouldn’t tackle.
I dropped my IT career to work at a hardware store. That was my retirement plan, and I’m in no shape to quit working, but I had to do something to get out of my rut. Depression was killing me, body and mind. Pay sucks, and no I’m not dying to get dressed and go in, but my physical and mental health is quickly improving.
Also, I’m learning new skills, learning more about how the world works, and best of all, learning from talking to customers about their projects. Hell, I can wander over to lumber and my coworkers will school me all day long on the projects I need to build.
LOL, my manager and I, in our 50s, are literally throwing rocks while the 20-something pudgy kids stand around staring. Guess who’s moving up, getting respect and perks?
It’s great that you’re doing better, but your survival and mental wellbeing should never have been conditioned on employment in the first place. What you did - switching to a new career that gave you a sense of fulfillment - is something that countless others have extreme difficulty doing because the threat of homelessness and destitution is held over our heads like a sword of Damocles.
You shouldn’t have had to take a pay cut to find happiness.
Lots of hobbies have times where you don’t enjoy the work, or you screw something up, or something just won’t work and you walk away in frustration. Video games are basically designed to be frustrating so you feel accomplishment.
If we didn’t need to work we could have bigger, more complicated hobbies, with more opportunities for frustration.
But if we didn’t have to do them in the first place why would we call them jobs?
Yep. These dumbasses that think no one should have to work should be stranded on a tropical island, à la “Lord of the Flies”. LOL, they’ll either be working a “job” or they’ll get their asses beat or thrown in a volcano.
I don’t disagree that some work needs to be done: If I want a snack I’ll need to walk to the kitchen. But it should be as little as is necessary. If someone can automate themselves out of a job they should get their salary for life and a million dollar prize, because it means nobody has to do that work anymore.
Plus the only thing most political parties agree on is more jobs and that makes it immediately suspect to me.
I developed complex alarm systems.I bought a timer plug, and set it to turn on my coffee maker and also the record player, on which I had placed my loudest record, It 's Alive by The Ramones
This is me but it was “Stunt” by Barenaked Ladies, which opens with this
That sounds like a hobby, not a job
If you want to do something but don’t have to in order to survive, that’s a hobby.
IMO hobbies are different. I do a hobby because I enjoy the activity, but it doesn’t necessarily give me purpose. A job (or more specifically a career) gives me purpose even if I don’t always enjoy the day to day work. At a higher level I do enjoy my job, and it gives me a reason to get up each day and tackle problems I otherwise wouldn’t seek out.
I’ve often said if I won’t the lottery and didn’t need to work to survive, I’d still take a job (or at least full time volunteer) because it’s not natural to sit around and just do whatever activities attract your attention each day. It’s important to be challenged and pushed to do things you otherwise wouldn’t tackle.
I dropped my IT career to work at a hardware store. That was my retirement plan, and I’m in no shape to quit working, but I had to do something to get out of my rut. Depression was killing me, body and mind. Pay sucks, and no I’m not dying to get dressed and go in, but my physical and mental health is quickly improving.
Also, I’m learning new skills, learning more about how the world works, and best of all, learning from talking to customers about their projects. Hell, I can wander over to lumber and my coworkers will school me all day long on the projects I need to build.
LOL, my manager and I, in our 50s, are literally throwing rocks while the 20-something pudgy kids stand around staring. Guess who’s moving up, getting respect and perks?
It’s great that you’re doing better, but your survival and mental wellbeing should never have been conditioned on employment in the first place. What you did - switching to a new career that gave you a sense of fulfillment - is something that countless others have extreme difficulty doing because the threat of homelessness and destitution is held over our heads like a sword of Damocles.
You shouldn’t have had to take a pay cut to find happiness.
Lots of hobbies have times where you don’t enjoy the work, or you screw something up, or something just won’t work and you walk away in frustration. Video games are basically designed to be frustrating so you feel accomplishment.
If we didn’t need to work we could have bigger, more complicated hobbies, with more opportunities for frustration.
But if we didn’t have to do them in the first place why would we call them jobs?
Yep. These dumbasses that think no one should have to work should be stranded on a tropical island, à la “Lord of the Flies”. LOL, they’ll either be working a “job” or they’ll get their asses beat or thrown in a volcano.
You replied to the wrong comment, but you’re totally wrong about how the Lord of the Flies actually panned out in real life. Turns out the children worked together to divide the work needed to survive between each other, so nobody did too much. The kids survived for fifteen months and even cared for one of them when they broke a leg.
I don’t disagree that some work needs to be done: If I want a snack I’ll need to walk to the kitchen. But it should be as little as is necessary. If someone can automate themselves out of a job they should get their salary for life and a million dollar prize, because it means nobody has to do that work anymore.
Plus the only thing most political parties agree on is more jobs and that makes it immediately suspect to me.
If you haven’t read it already, a book for the idler:
https://files.libcom.org/files/[Tom_Hodgkinson]_How_To_Be_Idle(Bookos.org).pdf
I will have read it soon, thanks for the tip!
This is me but it was “Stunt” by Barenaked Ladies, which opens with this
You’re contesting by posting the real-life version of events vs. the fiction I posted? One of these things is not like the other.
Yes, I posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.