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Summary
Frustrated by Democratic leaders’ failure to counter Donald Trump’s swift policy changes, grassroots liberals are pushing for a Tea Party-style insurgency within their party.
Anger is mounting over leadership’s lack of urgency, ineffective messaging, and perceived disconnect from voters.
Activists and strategists argue Democrats must shift from defending institutions to telling human-centered stories that resonate emotionally.
Some are calling for primary challenges and new leadership to counter Trump’s influence. Reform efforts are already underway, as progressives seek a more aggressive and responsive Democratic Party.
While I get that, building the infrastructure of a new third party, or increasing an existing third parties infrastructure to the right size, is next to impossible unless you convince every single Democrat voter to move to the next one. That’s just not gonna happen. Statistically speaking, third parties will never win. And if you work on building that infrastructure, that will just guarantee Republicans winning until you convince enough people to abandon the Democrats which could take decades.
So then what’s the logical next step if those people want to be represented in government? You remake the Democratic party. The Republicans were remade post tea party in 6 years into the Trump party. The Democrats could be remade into an actually consistent and willing to fight far more effectively progressive party in 4 if we just work towards it and vote in the primaries in all elections over the next 4 years. It’s far more possible and a far quicker possibility. As long as we have elections going forward, that is, Trump could just cancel them.
The next logical step is a second American Revolution, not being pussies and “remaking” the bought and paid for Democratic Party.
I swear to god I’m so fucking tired of progressive activists herding people back into the failed Democratic Party.
So does that mean overthrowing the government? Does it mean starting a Civil War to establish a new Union? Would it mean the country splitting off into their own grouped together countries? What would a Second American Revolution look like? Because we have an idea of how you can remake the Democratic party. A second American Revolution in modern day needs an image of what it should look like if it is going to work.
For what it’s worth, I personally think you either remake the Democratic party, or the country will split.
The country will split. How it ends nobody knows.
The democrats have been controlled opposition for decades and are irredeemable. Look at the “opposition” they’re putting up right now. And you think we can remake it?
They’re a lost cause that frustrates actual leftism. They’re a capitalist imperialist party and after they lost the election their response was to drift further right. They’re done. America is done. Most are just too distracted by trying to stay afloat to see the writing on the wall.
Their response was to drift right because those voters consistently vote. If the left consistently voted they would be represented in Congress.
And yes I think we can remake it. I think it’s our only chance. If the party switch could happen in the 60s, if the Republicans could accelerate into Trumpism in 6 years, then yes we can remake the Democratic party. We. Just. Have. To. Vote. And organize and such.
The 1960s didn’t have a misinformation campaign stronger than any propaganda on earth till this point.
You’re wasting your time with the democrats. Keep doing the same thing and expecting results to change is lunacy.
How is getting the left out to vote in primaries to remake the democratic party doing the same thing? Right now they don’t get out and vote in primaries in enough numbers to change anything. Having them get out and vote in primaries en masse WOULD be doing something new.
Edit: you are abolustely right about the propaganda machine. It’s why I think there’s only two options, finding a way to remake the democratic party, or the country splits.
Country is going to split. People are already voting in the primaries.
Were you not around for 2016?!
I was and I voted in the primaries in 2016. But not enough people voted for Bernie for him to win the nomination. He had over 3 and a half million fewer votes than Hilary. And only if all but 9 of the super delegates had went to him he would have gotten the nomination. Which others would have called undemocratic as he didn’t win the most votes.