I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.
Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.
Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.
In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.
In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)
I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.
Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.
I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.
I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.
I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.
His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.
maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.
Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.
make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.
I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.
Insanity.
Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.
That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.
I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.
You mean that?
Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.
In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.
In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)
I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.
Lol. You doubt it?!
Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.
I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.
And we do. Only people unaware of the problem aren’t worked about it.
But these people seem unable to parse tough choices and bad choices.
Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.
(Beside the point, but Mussolini totally did not run an efficient train network, it was a cluster fuck like everything else he did)
im pretty sure that’s the exact implication being made lol
Yeah but if they knew enough to know that they wouldn’t be voting Republican.
evidently they still did, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.
I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.
His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.
maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.
Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.
make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.
wait until everything gets a lot more expensive, and then ask him what happened lmao