May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland.
I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy.
TL DR
What if EU + RU Vs USA ?
I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean
But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.
Of course It matters, as anyone. I was thinking if USA leave NATO what if we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included. But I’m not thinking of military strategy but an hypothetical scenario that would result as a no death stability of the new biggest, triumvirate between China Europe and Russia. Hopefully thinking that those countries are more inclined to have more civilized manners and thus permeable to democratic values.
Prior to 2014 coup, Ukraine (under Yanukovych) was at peace with good relations with Russia, and overtures with Europe (Sabotaged by US controlled IMF). Russia’s demand of denazification of Ukraine is a genuine path for peace. Zelensky’s election platform was denazification and peace with Minsk accord follow through. A ceasefire with EU troops helping Banderites continue their terrorism of 2014 to 2022 of liberated Ukrainian regions is definitely not a path for peace.
Smart EU policy would be to just ask Russia to cut back on military production in order to not be as scary.
The only countries that did well economically under Ukraine war were those who kept open geopolitical relationships. Subservience to US never pays. It’s not a matter of needing war against US, it is a matter of ignoring their coercive economic (and geopolitical adoption of US enemies as your own) power. Once you are free of US propaganda, you can have a free democracy. Musk actually helped liberate world from US by killing USAID. You just need to wake up now.
You are right and I am wishing for a third way, as equals as in EU. With Russia in EU the congress gonna be so much fun. They already are with one foot (Hungary), Serbia also would be dragged in ending the balcanization by making really peaceful. EU would have access to raw materials. Russia to cutting edge theory and tech. Lesser partner would be china!
Russia needs to fundamentally change for that to happen. Maybe even disintegrate a lose much of their central and eastern asian territory. Russia is too big to be easily integrated into europe.
Europe must join together send to shit USA and go full Gandalf the White
May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland. I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy. TL DR What if EU + RU Vs USA ?
I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean
But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.
Peace
For you ukraine doesn’t matter?
This whole template implies that Russia is Sauron. I wouldnt side with it.
Of course It matters, as anyone. I was thinking if USA leave NATO what if we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included. But I’m not thinking of military strategy but an hypothetical scenario that would result as a no death stability of the new biggest, triumvirate between China Europe and Russia. Hopefully thinking that those countries are more inclined to have more civilized manners and thus permeable to democratic values.
“What if we abandon siding with one authoritarian and side with a different authoritarian” is not the good argument you seem to think it is.
Recommendation is mostly (should be) about not taking too strong a side in either direction.
Prior to 2014 coup, Ukraine (under Yanukovych) was at peace with good relations with Russia, and overtures with Europe (Sabotaged by US controlled IMF). Russia’s demand of denazification of Ukraine is a genuine path for peace. Zelensky’s election platform was denazification and peace with Minsk accord follow through. A ceasefire with EU troops helping Banderites continue their terrorism of 2014 to 2022 of liberated Ukrainian regions is definitely not a path for peace.
Smart EU policy would be to just ask Russia to cut back on military production in order to not be as scary.
The only countries that did well economically under Ukraine war were those who kept open geopolitical relationships. Subservience to US never pays. It’s not a matter of needing war against US, it is a matter of ignoring their coercive economic (and geopolitical adoption of US enemies as your own) power. Once you are free of US propaganda, you can have a free democracy. Musk actually helped liberate world from US by killing USAID. You just need to wake up now.
Become part of Russia’s empire is the only way this works.
You are right and I am wishing for a third way, as equals as in EU. With Russia in EU the congress gonna be so much fun. They already are with one foot (Hungary), Serbia also would be dragged in ending the balcanization by making really peaceful. EU would have access to raw materials. Russia to cutting edge theory and tech. Lesser partner would be china!
Russia needs to fundamentally change for that to happen. Maybe even disintegrate a lose much of their central and eastern asian territory. Russia is too big to be easily integrated into europe.
Yes, I agree but maybe some day Putin will leave the charge either voluntarily or by dying. What will happen then? Elections? Succession?
We will see. Putin has built a very stable authoritarian system that could very well survive him.
There is an appointed successor “candidate”. He is moderate and popular in Russia, and a coup would result in harder militarist line.