Except that I can understand them, better than they seem to understand themselves, honestly, and the main reason for any issues is that I refuse to play the game, not that I can’t. Neurodivergent people need to know how to handle that stuff and in order to learn to communicate with so many different people they need to actually understand how these things work. And there are neurotypical people who aren’t so full of themselves, who have had experiences where they’ve learned that other people aren’t simply “broken”, who have come to be able to communicate and respect just fine with everyone else.
But anyway, why are you so against even trying? If I and many others can learn to move through the world and communicate with others then how come neurotypical only get “actually, you guys don’t need to get better”? And holy shit, there are plenty of people who become fluent in other languages including people who speak English and then learn Mandarin or Japanese or Korean to a fluent level. And we just need enough of an effort to make sure that NT folks understand that their way isn’t the only way! I’m not asking for mastery, I’m asking for an anglophone living in France to be able to order their dinner without an English menu.
Why do you keep repeating that we cannot do this? Why do you keep saying that it’s a lost cause and we shouldn’t try? It’s such a lame stance to take that we should just throw our hope in the trash because it might be difficult to bring positive change. You don’t need to be on the frontlines but holy hell please at least stop actively demoralizing everyone to justify your absence.
Oh no don’t get me wrong I’m very much for education. I just convinced the results won’t be anything spectacular. I don’t see a future where the average neurotypical person will be able to communicate with neurodivergent people with no friction, but there’s absolutely a lot to be gained from trying to achieve such a future anyway.
Now if you’re wondering why, then, I’m saying all of this, remember the very start of this conversation. I was trying to argue that there are real negative aspects to autism and that it’s not all “fake problems”, and then tried to argue that even the “fake problems” are very much real due to the nature of humans as social animals, and that no matter how you improve society those problems won’t go away 100%. Ergo, they count as negative aspects in this discussion, was what I was trying to say. I was not trying to argue that because those problems can’t be completely eliminated we shouldn’t try; that’d be pretty fallacious logic.
It’s such a lame stance to take that we should just throw our hope in the trash because it might be difficult to bring positive change.
I don’t think I ever said said anything like that throughout this whole conversation. Are you sure that was me?
Except that I can understand them, better than they seem to understand themselves, honestly, and the main reason for any issues is that I refuse to play the game, not that I can’t. Neurodivergent people need to know how to handle that stuff and in order to learn to communicate with so many different people they need to actually understand how these things work. And there are neurotypical people who aren’t so full of themselves, who have had experiences where they’ve learned that other people aren’t simply “broken”, who have come to be able to communicate and respect just fine with everyone else.
But anyway, why are you so against even trying? If I and many others can learn to move through the world and communicate with others then how come neurotypical only get “actually, you guys don’t need to get better”? And holy shit, there are plenty of people who become fluent in other languages including people who speak English and then learn Mandarin or Japanese or Korean to a fluent level. And we just need enough of an effort to make sure that NT folks understand that their way isn’t the only way! I’m not asking for mastery, I’m asking for an anglophone living in France to be able to order their dinner without an English menu.
Why do you keep repeating that we cannot do this? Why do you keep saying that it’s a lost cause and we shouldn’t try? It’s such a lame stance to take that we should just throw our hope in the trash because it might be difficult to bring positive change. You don’t need to be on the frontlines but holy hell please at least stop actively demoralizing everyone to justify your absence.
Oh no don’t get me wrong I’m very much for education. I just convinced the results won’t be anything spectacular. I don’t see a future where the average neurotypical person will be able to communicate with neurodivergent people with no friction, but there’s absolutely a lot to be gained from trying to achieve such a future anyway.
Now if you’re wondering why, then, I’m saying all of this, remember the very start of this conversation. I was trying to argue that there are real negative aspects to autism and that it’s not all “fake problems”, and then tried to argue that even the “fake problems” are very much real due to the nature of humans as social animals, and that no matter how you improve society those problems won’t go away 100%. Ergo, they count as negative aspects in this discussion, was what I was trying to say. I was not trying to argue that because those problems can’t be completely eliminated we shouldn’t try; that’d be pretty fallacious logic.
I don’t think I ever said said anything like that throughout this whole conversation. Are you sure that was me?