The CDU as a party, as it states their goals inntheir program, the politicians their base elects as their leaders and speakers and the rhetorics that are popular.
I addressed that, there’s a reason I posted poll numbers and compared them to election results. Merz has nothing on Günther when it comes to pulling votes, if he (or Wüst) had ran for Merz’ office they’d very likely have won. And they would have run, had Merz been Gauland, or one of the Werteunion guys.
Noone wanted to oppose Merz because he’s not too far right to be intolerable, also, it’s his turn. The CDU’s right and left wing have co-existed since the end of the war nothing about this is new and there’s whole states to keep Merz in check. We’re getting a bit of controlled CSU at the federal level.
Also the migration debate is all but guaranteed to vanish as soon as people start talking about getting nukes.
Dude the policies the CDU argues and proposes for are more right wing than under Merkel and Laschet. I don’t care how well the left and right wing of the party work together or who has higher popularity rates, the difference between Willkommenskultur and Ehe für Alle on one side and “refugees take the germans’ dentist appointments”, anti-woke rhetorics, trying to raise majorities with the AfD or the Bezahlkarte on the other hand are stark contrast and an actual shift to the right!
Yes. I listen what they’ve been saying for years in talk shows I also read up on law propositions and voting behavior. I see their proposed policies, how they argue them, what gets implemented in state governments. Maybe you should, too.
As you were talking about Bezahlkarte: Implementing law that was passed by the traffic light coalition? In SH the FDP accused Black-Green to be delaying implementation. Regarding cash the SH implementation follows the majority of states (max 50 Euro), you can pay online, it’s valid throughout the state as well as in Hamburg though that’ll require Hamburg to reciprocate. Hamburg is generally more restrictive with the thing and may I remind you they have an SPD government.
The thing, as in giving out a card instead of cash, will definitely stick around because yes it makes paying out money way easier for the administration. Whether the restrictions will stay I don’t know but please stop fucking talking about “The CDU shifting right” when it’s to the left of the SPD over here, at least in this regard. There’s still no rebate on the Deutschlandticket for welfare recipients, just for state employees.
Schleswig-Holstein is in general more progressive-leaning than other states.
And I am not saying other parties didn’t also shift to the right, SPD and Greens certainly did do the shift, too. But in total, especially on the federal level which is the important level with the given context of the Bundestagswahl the CDU has shifted to the right as we can see in the change of their policies, rhetorics and elected leaders when compared to the Merkel era.
Sure they adjusted their rhetoric under the assumption that they can siphon off AfD voters. There’s a huge difference between “we’ll try and win votes with this” and an actual shift in the party, though. The Greens agreeing to intervene in Yugoslavia was a shift, and you saw the internal struggle. The Greens being hawkish about Ukraine, wanting more money for the military etc was not a shift, to quote I think Hofreiter “We didn’t change, the circumstances did”. It’s important to tell those things apart and when it comes to the CDU, we’re talking about the latter kind of “shift”.
And they’re also smart enough to look at election results and must, by now, have finally realised that “the CDU is too left wing” is not why the AfD surged. And they also know that over 80% of their voters consider a coalition with the AfD intolerable.
So, trying to push through Merz’ 5-Points-Plan with the help of AfD is just an adjustment of rhetorics? Electing Populists as their leaders and speakers?
You’re defense of the CDU is bonkers, and I understand your arguments less and less.
The Greens being hawkish about Ukraine, wanting more money for the military etc was not a shift, to quote I think Hofreiter “We didn’t change, the circumstances did”.
You know what did shift without the circumstances shifting? The Greens’ attitude towards deportations.
Honestly, I don’t know how you cannot see the developments in the public discourse over the last couple of years as a shift to the right, from media landscape through parties. Are you blind? Or do you just not understand how that shit works and how a change in rhetorics and policies is carried by the party’s base when that base elects their leaders and speakers.
The CDU as a party, as it states their goals inntheir program, the politicians their base elects as their leaders and speakers and the rhetorics that are popular.
I addressed that, there’s a reason I posted poll numbers and compared them to election results. Merz has nothing on Günther when it comes to pulling votes, if he (or Wüst) had ran for Merz’ office they’d very likely have won. And they would have run, had Merz been Gauland, or one of the Werteunion guys.
Noone wanted to oppose Merz because he’s not too far right to be intolerable, also, it’s his turn. The CDU’s right and left wing have co-existed since the end of the war nothing about this is new and there’s whole states to keep Merz in check. We’re getting a bit of controlled CSU at the federal level.
Also the migration debate is all but guaranteed to vanish as soon as people start talking about getting nukes.
Dude the policies the CDU argues and proposes for are more right wing than under Merkel and Laschet. I don’t care how well the left and right wing of the party work together or who has higher popularity rates, the difference between Willkommenskultur and Ehe für Alle on one side and “refugees take the germans’ dentist appointments”, anti-woke rhetorics, trying to raise majorities with the AfD or the Bezahlkarte on the other hand are stark contrast and an actual shift to the right!
You’re listening to what politicians say? On top of that what they say on the campaign trail?
Yes. I listen what they’ve been saying for years in talk shows I also read up on law propositions and voting behavior. I see their proposed policies, how they argue them, what gets implemented in state governments. Maybe you should, too.
As you were talking about Bezahlkarte: Implementing law that was passed by the traffic light coalition? In SH the FDP accused Black-Green to be delaying implementation. Regarding cash the SH implementation follows the majority of states (max 50 Euro), you can pay online, it’s valid throughout the state as well as in Hamburg though that’ll require Hamburg to reciprocate. Hamburg is generally more restrictive with the thing and may I remind you they have an SPD government.
The thing, as in giving out a card instead of cash, will definitely stick around because yes it makes paying out money way easier for the administration. Whether the restrictions will stay I don’t know but please stop fucking talking about “The CDU shifting right” when it’s to the left of the SPD over here, at least in this regard. There’s still no rebate on the Deutschlandticket for welfare recipients, just for state employees.
Schleswig-Holstein is in general more progressive-leaning than other states.
And I am not saying other parties didn’t also shift to the right, SPD and Greens certainly did do the shift, too. But in total, especially on the federal level which is the important level with the given context of the Bundestagswahl the CDU has shifted to the right as we can see in the change of their policies, rhetorics and elected leaders when compared to the Merkel era.
Sure they adjusted their rhetoric under the assumption that they can siphon off AfD voters. There’s a huge difference between “we’ll try and win votes with this” and an actual shift in the party, though. The Greens agreeing to intervene in Yugoslavia was a shift, and you saw the internal struggle. The Greens being hawkish about Ukraine, wanting more money for the military etc was not a shift, to quote I think Hofreiter “We didn’t change, the circumstances did”. It’s important to tell those things apart and when it comes to the CDU, we’re talking about the latter kind of “shift”.
And they’re also smart enough to look at election results and must, by now, have finally realised that “the CDU is too left wing” is not why the AfD surged. And they also know that over 80% of their voters consider a coalition with the AfD intolerable.
So, trying to push through Merz’ 5-Points-Plan with the help of AfD is just an adjustment of rhetorics? Electing Populists as their leaders and speakers?
You’re defense of the CDU is bonkers, and I understand your arguments less and less.
You know what did shift without the circumstances shifting? The Greens’ attitude towards deportations.
Honestly, I don’t know how you cannot see the developments in the public discourse over the last couple of years as a shift to the right, from media landscape through parties. Are you blind? Or do you just not understand how that shit works and how a change in rhetorics and policies is carried by the party’s base when that base elects their leaders and speakers.