Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

  • VeryFrugal
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    -113 days ago

    I understand now why tankies were so obsessed with not voting for Genocide Joe.

    • @[email protected]
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      3 days ago

      People should have the right to vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect. Its a inalienable right actually.

      There are more representative electoral systems that can accomplish this. Are you working to pass electoral reform in your state so those that are unrepresented by First-past-the-post voting can participate in democracy?

      “Why are women so obsessed with suffrage” - you, if you lived during the early 20th century

      Videos on Electoral Reform

      First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

      Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

      STAR voting

      Alternative vote

      Ranked Choice voting

      Range Voting

      Single Transferable Vote

      Mixed Member Proportional representation

      • VeryFrugal
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        118 hours ago

        Yes, you are very smart. Congratulations on having the most convoluted, psychopathic president in the world. You’ve clearly taught that genocide Joe a lesson.

      • @pulsewidth
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        33 days ago

        I dunno how you can draw a false equivalence between women fighting for their right to vote, and refusing to vote against an avowed fascist (who then won office), and keep a straight face.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 days ago

        I agree with everything you’re saying here. So tell me, how does this have any bearing on the outcome of an election with FPTP voting?

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      2 days ago

      I’m not on the side of anyone doing genocide, that includes trump, biden, and harris. If you want me on your side, get a candidate who doesn’t support genocide, really shouldn’t be that hard

      • @Syrc
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        12 days ago

        Too bad that in the US there’s three sides, two that support genocide and a third one which supports whoever gets the most votes out of the other two.

        You literally can’t avoid “supporting genocide” in a FPTP system, refusing to choose just means letting others choose for you. And you can’t tell me in good faith that both outcomes were the same.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 days ago

          By existing in America I can’t avoid supporting genocide?

          Then this is an evil country that cannot be saved

          • @Syrc
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            12 days ago

            It can be saved, through voting in primaries, grassroot movements, and trying to pressure whoever is in power to do the right thing.

            But all of this is only possible if you keep voting for the lesser evil. By electing people like Trump, the US population is sending the message that they like those positions, and therefore the other party will keep shifting more and more to the right to try and capture those voters. And the only way a nation can be saved under those conditions is violent revolution. Are you ready for violent revolution? Because if you’re not I’d suggest you either start a plan to migrate to a better country, or get accustomed to voting “against” people, instead of “for” people.

            • @[email protected]
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              If supporting genocide is a prerequisite of participating in this system I’ll just not participate. I’m only one person and I need to be able to live with myself at the end of the day. Maybe you have a stronger will than I do, but for me supporting genocide is a line I just can’t cross.

              • @Syrc
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                You’re still supporting genocide by proxy by living in the US and paying taxes, contributing to the GDP and whatnot, though. You should move and contribute to a different country if you really can’t stand to support genocide in any form.