I will never understand what it is that drives Pathfinder fans to just open the door and go “YEAH BUT YOU SUCK AND WE’RE BETTER” at every single possible opportunity. The reason I don’t play Pathfinder and actively avoid it is specifically because of this behavior. If this is how you’re trying to get people to switch over from one to another then it just gives me extreme pause for what the people are going to be like when playing with them…
Pathfinder players are the Linux users of the TTRPG world. Open source, heavy parallels to closed-source, better content than closed source in many ways, will absolutely pretend any shortcomings don’t exist, and fans that insist “bro it’s finally ready, just make the switch, it’s super easy you’ll see.”
Then when you try to switch, it’s juuuuust different enough that you constantly have to consult the manual, but everything is named something different than the closed-source version so even the index isn’t super helpful at looking things up.
And if you ever stumble, the fans will pile on you with “bro RTFM” like it’s not forty three books long and counting.
On the opposite side of the coin, D&D is the Microsoft of the TTRPG world. The system peaked several versions ago, the maker keeps getting more and more invasive, and they keep trying to lock everything into their walled garden so switching means you need to totally scrap all of your content.
When Magic: The Gathering cards turned up on YouTube last week, publisher Wizards of the Coast (which also publishes D&D) sent private investigators from Pinkerton to retrieve them. The resulting confrontation reportedly frightened one woman to tears, and resulted in the confiscation of nearly two dozen boxes of cards by private investigators. Wizards confirmed the incident to Polygon.
In case anyone else was curious what this was referring to.
You can play whatever you want, but in the comments of a post specifically about one of the very few places that DnD pays lip service the LGBTQ community, it seems appropriate to talk about the primary competitor that absolutely crushes representation and social justice issues.
I had absolutely no problem with the first part of your message. That was perfectly fine. Your second part about just actively insulting DnD is completely unnecessary. So yeah, it is appropriate to talk about the primary competitor but (again) you are doing Pathfinder ZERO FAVORS by acting this smug and arrogant in your own personal opinion on which is better while trying to show off your game.
But thanks again for confirming that if this is what the Pathfinder players are like to try and get you to play their game, there is no way in hell you’re not going to inflict the same judgment on character choices within the actual game itself. Whether that be equipment, classes, races, whatever. Doesn’t matter. The only thing I’m ever going to think is “Well, they’re already openly saying that one thing is better than another unilaterally when it’s a matter of opinion on which one is better. Why will they suspend that train of thought for anything in the game?”
But you do you. I’ve seen and heard more than enough to make my decision on avoiding Pathfinder for at least another year until you lot are drowned out.
Hey, I’m not the one downvoting posts because I don’t like their tone.
Plus, I don’t judge people based on their choice of game (as you seem to); I am simply pointing out that there are other options. Sure, I used “better” as a shorthand for “more complex, more balanced, more inclusive, better written (especially from the GM’s PoV), and more universal,” so I could have done a better job of explaining what I meant. If you think that’s being condescending, I’m happy to give you specific examples of why I think that and you can judge for yourself, or go read/watch any of the many, many side-by-side comparisons.
I play DnD with my good friends because that’s what they want to play, and I don’t judge them or their character choices. I mentioned Pathfinder as an option before session zero, and we agreed to go with DnD due to people’s familiarity. However, in a community dedicated to DnD and TTRPG’s in general, it doesn’t seem out of place to me to talk about other options. And the other people upvoting my original post seen too think it’s a valid contribution as well.
Like I said, you should play whatever game you want. If you don’t like Pathfinder players, then you can just, you know, not play Pathfinder. Feel free to downvote and move on.
“yeah I had a bad experience when someone was recommending this ruleset, so I’ll stick with the game they said was less tolerant just to prove a point”
I will never understand what it is that drives Pathfinder fans to just open the door and go “YEAH BUT YOU SUCK AND WE’RE BETTER” at every single possible opportunity. The reason I don’t play Pathfinder and actively avoid it is specifically because of this behavior. If this is how you’re trying to get people to switch over from one to another then it just gives me extreme pause for what the people are going to be like when playing with them…
Pathfinder players are the Linux users of the TTRPG world. Open source, heavy parallels to closed-source, better content than closed source in many ways, will absolutely pretend any shortcomings don’t exist, and fans that insist “bro it’s finally ready, just make the switch, it’s super easy you’ll see.”
Then when you try to switch, it’s juuuuust different enough that you constantly have to consult the manual, but everything is named something different than the closed-source version so even the index isn’t super helpful at looking things up.
And if you ever stumble, the fans will pile on you with “bro RTFM” like it’s not forty three books long and counting.
On the opposite side of the coin, D&D is the Microsoft of the TTRPG world. The system peaked several versions ago, the maker keeps getting more and more invasive, and they keep trying to lock everything into their walled garden so switching means you need to totally scrap all of your content.
They’re trying to save you from Pinkerton agents being sent to your house
In case anyone else was curious what this was referring to.
Right, between that and them trying to change their license to give them full, unrestricted access to any intellectual property made with D&D, a lot of people decided they were ready to move on from the ruleset
that was the tipping point for me, specifically.
You can play whatever you want, but in the comments of a post specifically about one of the very few places that DnD pays lip service the LGBTQ community, it seems appropriate to talk about the primary competitor that absolutely crushes representation and social justice issues.
But you do you.
I had absolutely no problem with the first part of your message. That was perfectly fine. Your second part about just actively insulting DnD is completely unnecessary. So yeah, it is appropriate to talk about the primary competitor but (again) you are doing Pathfinder ZERO FAVORS by acting this smug and arrogant in your own personal opinion on which is better while trying to show off your game.
But thanks again for confirming that if this is what the Pathfinder players are like to try and get you to play their game, there is no way in hell you’re not going to inflict the same judgment on character choices within the actual game itself. Whether that be equipment, classes, races, whatever. Doesn’t matter. The only thing I’m ever going to think is “Well, they’re already openly saying that one thing is better than another unilaterally when it’s a matter of opinion on which one is better. Why will they suspend that train of thought for anything in the game?”
But you do you. I’ve seen and heard more than enough to make my decision on avoiding Pathfinder for at least another year until you lot are drowned out.
Hey, I’m not the one downvoting posts because I don’t like their tone.
Plus, I don’t judge people based on their choice of game (as you seem to); I am simply pointing out that there are other options. Sure, I used “better” as a shorthand for “more complex, more balanced, more inclusive, better written (especially from the GM’s PoV), and more universal,” so I could have done a better job of explaining what I meant. If you think that’s being condescending, I’m happy to give you specific examples of why I think that and you can judge for yourself, or go read/watch any of the many, many side-by-side comparisons.
I play DnD with my good friends because that’s what they want to play, and I don’t judge them or their character choices. I mentioned Pathfinder as an option before session zero, and we agreed to go with DnD due to people’s familiarity. However, in a community dedicated to DnD and TTRPG’s in general, it doesn’t seem out of place to me to talk about other options. And the other people upvoting my original post seen too think it’s a valid contribution as well.
Like I said, you should play whatever game you want. If you don’t like Pathfinder players, then you can just, you know, not play Pathfinder. Feel free to downvote and move on.
“yeah I had a bad experience when someone was recommending this ruleset, so I’ll stick with the game they said was less tolerant just to prove a point”
Hasbro isn’t worth your loyalty, you know