I watched a bit of the meeting, not the whole thing, but the bit where Trump and Vance started lashing out at Zelenskyy. There’s been a lot of talk about it on here, and I agree Trump and Vance are big man babies trying to bully Ukraine into an unfavorable deal, but I’m still not clear on how this affects, well, everything I guess. Can someone ELI5?

  • magnetosphere
    29•1 day ago

    Frankly, European politicians should have seen something like this coming. It’s never been a secret that the U.S. doesn’t share the same values as the EU. Storing sensitive data in America? Buying weapons from America? Who the fuck thought outsourcing national security was a good idea?

    It will take generations for the U.S. to earn credibility again, and I don’t expect that we’ll ever earn the same level of trust. We don’t deserve it.

    • @[email protected]English
      1•10 hours ago

      It will take generations for the U.S. to earn credibility again, and I don’t expect that we’ll ever earn the same level of trust. We don’t deserve it. You’re right about that, except you will never earn any trust whatsoever only just go lower and lower until you have a real civil war to determine is if it’s a fascist nation or not

    • @aesthelete
      19•1 day ago

      The US is like the Facebook or Google or Twitter or Amazon of countries. Out of simple convenience and ease of use people centralized their lives around us and now that we’re obviously falling apart they’re going to have to make a huge effort to get rid of our influence.

      I just realized that this country has been enshittifying itself my entire life.

      We’re the inshitternet of countries.