Congestion pricing is a tax levied against the poor? The poor are less likely to be driving wtf. That’s like saying extra taxes on private jets is a tax for preventing the poor from getting private jets: that wasn’t not an issue and is in fact a way of redistributing wealth to lower classes. You don’t need to drive to Manhattan to experience Manhattan in the same way that you don’t need to own a private jet to travel.
If you have a better way to reduce congestion in Manhattan AND provide additional funds to public transit, feel free to suggest that idea.
You’re conflating a colloquial expression “poor” with indigent or destitution which in 2024 was defined as any single person making less than $16,320 annually:
One person (unrelated individual):
Under 65 years…
16,320
65 years and over…
15,045
Two people:
Householder under 65 years…
21,006
21,621
Householder 65 years and over…
18,961
21,540
Three people…
24,537
25,249
25,273
Four people…
32,355
32,884
31,812
31,922
Five people…
39,019
39,586
38,374
37,436
36,863
Six people…
44,879
45,057
44,128
43,238
41,915
41,131
Seven people…
51,638
51,961
50,849
50,075
48,631
46,948
45,100
Eight people…
57,753
58,263
57,215
56,296
54,992
53,337
51,614
51,177
Nine people or more…
69,473
69,810
68,882
68,102
66,822
65,062
63,469
63,075
60,645
The median salary in NYC is $73,950, with 80% of salaries falling between $34,451 and $169,650. The lowest 10th percentile in NYC is $34,451 which is 211% higher than the federal poverty level and the cost basis for NYC is 238% higher than the federal average making New Yorker’s 27% better off than the rest of the country.
Your brain would have to be smoother than marble to believe that the only people who drive are those who are financially solvent. I was in the lowest 10th percentile back then and drove… It was consistently the cheapest option. A fucking metro-pass is $350+ per month. Cut rate liability insurance and the cost of fuel is nothing in comparison if you have a place to park (which I did).
If you have a better way to reduce congestion in Manhattan AND provide additional funds to public transit, feel free to suggest that idea.
“MAKE THERE BE LESS PEOPLE IN NEW YORK CITY!” That’s not how living in a city works, which is my major gripe with this shit. It’s New Yorker’s being pissed that there are 9 million people in a city where 9 million people live.
You can easily provide additional funds to public transit by actually charging a reasonable corporate tax in NYC–which is still one of the highest in the nation and corporations still find ways to evade paying the taxes. But that’s not going to solve any problems because the NYC transit system is over a hundred years old. The way it was designed, and the city around it, isn’t conducive to vertical scaling. Everyone wants to scream “expand the subway!” but there’s only so much it can be expanded and only so many residents it can accommodate without literally moving buildings, bridges and tunnels…
I feel your conflating things with your first point. Yeah a person living in NY is going to make more money than the average american (as you point out with that data you posted), but that doesn’t mean you can’t be poor as in struggling to pay bills, to save for retirement, or to pay for living expenses. By your definition, there’s no poor people in the US, because compared the to world our poor people are very wealthy. My point is, the financially struggling people in New York are more likely to take public transit than the people that are wealthy in New York. Emphasis on more likely because you assumed i meant all lower income people only take public transit (the confusion maybe stemming from my private jet analogy).
You’re right about large cities will have large populations, but that doesn’t mean that cities want everybody concentrating in certain areas. Providing incentives or disincentives so manage movement is helpful, especially when you have solid alternatives in the form of public transit. The fees aren’t crazy high, and it encourage cost efficient decision making (in terms of better for the city as vehicles are extremely detrimental).
I would definitely support higher corporate tax rates. A big issue is that congestion pricing is already something a majority of voters are liking and is being implemented. Increased taxes can still be done later.
Congestion pricing is a tax levied against the poor? The poor are less likely to be driving wtf. That’s like saying extra taxes on private jets is a tax for preventing the poor from getting private jets: that wasn’t
notan issue and is in fact a way of redistributing wealth to lower classes. You don’t need to drive to Manhattan to experience Manhattan in the same way that you don’t need to own a private jet to travel.If you have a better way to reduce congestion in Manhattan AND provide additional funds to public transit, feel free to suggest that idea.
You’re conflating a colloquial expression “poor” with indigent or destitution which in 2024 was defined as any single person making less than $16,320 annually:
The median salary in NYC is $73,950, with 80% of salaries falling between $34,451 and $169,650. The lowest 10th percentile in NYC is $34,451 which is 211% higher than the federal poverty level and the cost basis for NYC is 238% higher than the federal average making New Yorker’s 27% better off than the rest of the country.
Your brain would have to be smoother than marble to believe that the only people who drive are those who are financially solvent. I was in the lowest 10th percentile back then and drove… It was consistently the cheapest option. A fucking metro-pass is $350+ per month. Cut rate liability insurance and the cost of fuel is nothing in comparison if you have a place to park (which I did).
“MAKE THERE BE LESS PEOPLE IN NEW YORK CITY!” That’s not how living in a city works, which is my major gripe with this shit. It’s New Yorker’s being pissed that there are 9 million people in a city where 9 million people live.
You can easily provide additional funds to public transit by actually charging a reasonable corporate tax in NYC–which is still one of the highest in the nation and corporations still find ways to evade paying the taxes. But that’s not going to solve any problems because the NYC transit system is over a hundred years old. The way it was designed, and the city around it, isn’t conducive to vertical scaling. Everyone wants to scream “expand the subway!” but there’s only so much it can be expanded and only so many residents it can accommodate without literally moving buildings, bridges and tunnels…
I feel your conflating things with your first point. Yeah a person living in NY is going to make more money than the average american (as you point out with that data you posted), but that doesn’t mean you can’t be poor as in struggling to pay bills, to save for retirement, or to pay for living expenses. By your definition, there’s no poor people in the US, because compared the to world our poor people are very wealthy. My point is, the financially struggling people in New York are more likely to take public transit than the people that are wealthy in New York. Emphasis on more likely because you assumed i meant all lower income people only take public transit (the confusion maybe stemming from my private jet analogy).
You’re right about large cities will have large populations, but that doesn’t mean that cities want everybody concentrating in certain areas. Providing incentives or disincentives so manage movement is helpful, especially when you have solid alternatives in the form of public transit. The fees aren’t crazy high, and it encourage cost efficient decision making (in terms of better for the city as vehicles are extremely detrimental).
I would definitely support higher corporate tax rates. A big issue is that congestion pricing is already something a majority of voters are liking and is being implemented. Increased taxes can still be done later.