• NSRXN
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    422 hours ago

    by refusing to act, they didn’t oppose that man getting into power.

    you can refuse to vote for a Democrat and still oppose the man getting into power.

    • @[email protected]
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      321 hours ago

      But thanks to the two party system, what effect does it have? And I’m specifically talking about the voting day of the presidential election here, not primaries or other elections. Because that’s where those efforts will have the most impact. Not that the Dems deigned to give us even the illusion of a primary this election (or in 2016, truthfully), but so many of these people seem to shake their fist once every 4 years and then go to sleep like cicadas awaiting the next presidential election.

      I don’t blame people for hating the weak candidates that the Dems consistently push forward to maintain the old guards’ leadership positions, but I do blame them for looking at the alternative and saying “I’m okay with the possibility of that man winning if I don’t vote or vote third party.” The chance of a Trump victory and all that it entailed was a line in the sand that they were willing to cross.

      As a trans woman, I blame them for saying, “Your life is not worth biting the bullet for.”

      • NSRXN
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        320 hours ago

        As a trans woman, I blame them for saying, “Your life is not worth biting the bullet for.”

        I don’t believe voting for Democrats is an effective way to save anyone’s life.

      • NSRXN
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        321 hours ago

        The chance of a Trump victory and all that it entailed was a line in the sand that they were willing to cross.

        that chance was thrust upon all of us. accepting reality doesn’t make him acceptable.

        • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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          217 hours ago

          Yet refusing to accept the reality of mathematics that showed that, in a FPTP system, not voting for a viable candidate opposing a fascist only helps the fascist is acceptable? Nah. The blood is on the hands of both dems and non-voters. Non-voters/protest voters don’t give a fuck about trans people, as shown by their actions.

          • @[email protected]
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            112 minutes ago

            So it seems like you fully understand the flaws of First past the post voting. Have you done anything to fix it? Are the democrats doing anything to fix it? Nows the time. Not during the election

          • NSRXN
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            317 hours ago

            Non-voters/protest voters don’t give a fuck about trans people

            prove it

            • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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              013 hours ago

              Knowingly putting others lives at risk by refusing to do what is literally the least one can do, that is, voting in a strategic manner to prevent literal fascists who have repeatedly taken action against LGBTQ+ and made statements in support of committing genocide against them, POC, and people who are neurodivergent and/or impacted by mental illness is not what an ally does. It is an action that demonstrates that the non-voter/protest voter does not find vulnerable peoples’ lives important enough to warrant the effort needed to climb down off of their pedestal of egotistical moral superiority to do meaningfully lend support to their fellow human beings’ right to exist.

              • NSRXN
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                04 hours ago

                some of the people who refused to vote for Democrats are queer.

                • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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                  11 hour ago

                  And the Log Cabin Republicans exist. And the Association of German National Jews existed. Thinking that one is special enough to not be subjected to the oppression that others will face just shows that they are ignorant of history in addition to the betrayal.

          • NSRXN
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            017 hours ago

            refusing to accept the reality of mathematics

            support your claim

            • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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              Suppose there are 10 people eligible to vote.

              3 of them are known to support a fascist and will vote, no matter what. They have religious figures reminding them and pressuring them to vote for the fascist and watch propaganda daily that maintains their outrage and support.

              1 of them is a big supporter of the neolibs and will vote for them no matter what.

              1 of them is a pragmatic leftist who grudgingly will vote for the neolibs because there is no other viable choice.

              1 of them is undecided either because they don’t think fascism is that bad, or think it won’t impact them, or don’t consider how it could impact people who are not as privileged as them, etc.

              The other 4 are:

              • 2 who are too filled with apathy to care about voting

              • 1 who the fascists keep setting up artificial barriers for in order to prevent political engagement

              • 1 who is thoroughly indoctrinated in the cult of anti-electoralism

              That’s 6/10 eligible voting (in line with the proportion of eligible voters that voted in 2024).

              Further, historical data shows that when fewer people vote, the fascists win because of their dedication to their cause and authority figures coaxing them to do so. This data is readily available in terms that are easy to comprehend, even for those without technical or scientific education.

              So, the breakdown is:

              Fascism: 3

              Neolibs: 2 or 3

              Coin toss on whether the fascists win, because, of those deigning to engage in the electoral system, one of them is not convinced that opposing fascism is really that big of a deal.

              What about third parties? They don’t matter in this but because it is first-past-the-post and only a majority of participating voters is required.

              But, the majority of polled people support left-of-center policies! Why are we forced to vote for neolibs?! Doesn’t matter. 4 out of 10 eligible voters are going to vote in support of right-of-center ideologies. If more eligible voters voted, that wouldn’t be an issue and the voice of the majority would be heard. But, between apathy, voter suppression, and the anti-electoralist/accelerationist cult, 40% are not voting. And that’s still “good” compared to the last half-century.

              So, there you go. Barely even scratching statistics and simple to digest as to why voters who refused to do their duty to oppose fascism share the responsibility with the neolibs.

      • NSRXN
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        -121 hours ago

        looking at the alternative and saying “I’m okay with the possibility of that man winning if I don’t vote or vote third party.”

        whether I vote for Dems or no, I’m not ok with republican candidates.