Just to be clear, I don’t actually care about piracy. Do it or don’t, that’s your business. But saying piracy doesn’t cause losses is just wrong.
You just explained that when piracy was inconvenient, people chose to pay for a better service. That means they had money to spend but were pirating instead—until a better legal option came along. That alone proves piracy takes money away from creators.
And your concert take? Now we’re at ‘stealing is fine as long as nobody makes a big deal about it.’ If sneaking in isn’t theft, does that mean shoplifting is fine too as long as the store doesn’t notice?
Keep going, or don’t—this is an imperfect analogy, I was just trying to help you see why you are so staggeringly wrong
So by your logic, if you pay for a stripper, you should own her for life? Or does paying for a temporary service not suddenly mean ‘ownership’ applies to everything?
Buying digital media means paying for licensed access (and to be fair, I miss buying the physical media because I got to keep it without interference, It doesn’t change anything about lost revenue), just like buying a ticket to a concert or hiring entertainment for a night. That doesn’t mean you ‘own’ the performer or the venue—it means you paid for the experience.
Piracy, meanwhile, is just skipping the payment entirely. Hope that helps!
Its about enshittacation. Everything we “own” online only becomes worse over time and permanently advertised buys are actually just temporary. Hope that helps!
It the same as sharing media with a friend. Also culture shouldn’t only be available for those with money
Piracy is a lot of work. If they had better product people wouldn’t do it
It’s not about enshitification at all? It’s all about the point that piracy causes losses. Nothing else. Of course if piracy didn’t cause any losses, no one in the industry would actually be against it. Me, I’m all for it. For all the reasons stated in this thread for some reason. But I’m not sure why anyone keeps bringing it up, as the only talking point is that it fucking causes losses to the producers.
If the creators themselves dont care, and the band is an especially bad example, the only people who give a fuck are shitheads like Metallica, you should take them for what they are and be happy people are enjoying your creation. Brendan Urie said it best, “pirate it, I dont care”. You’re acting like piracy always results in nobody ever paying and the creators or solemn victims of a ruthless tidal wave. Thats never true. They still sell, its not even a drop in the bucket compared to actual sales. This is like Musk running around screeching about 8bil when the government has a budget of over 2 trillion dollars, you’re bitching about couch change.
Just to be clear, I don’t actually care about piracy. Do it or don’t, that’s your business. But saying piracy doesn’t cause losses is just wrong.
You just explained that when piracy was inconvenient, people chose to pay for a better service. That means they had money to spend but were pirating instead—until a better legal option came along. That alone proves piracy takes money away from creators.
And your concert take? Now we’re at ‘stealing is fine as long as nobody makes a big deal about it.’ If sneaking in isn’t theft, does that mean shoplifting is fine too as long as the store doesn’t notice?
Keep going, or don’t—this is an imperfect analogy, I was just trying to help you see why you are so staggeringly wrong
If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing 😤
So by your logic, if you pay for a stripper, you should own her for life? Or does paying for a temporary service not suddenly mean ‘ownership’ applies to everything?
Buying digital media means paying for licensed access (and to be fair, I miss buying the physical media because I got to keep it without interference, It doesn’t change anything about lost revenue), just like buying a ticket to a concert or hiring entertainment for a night. That doesn’t mean you ‘own’ the performer or the venue—it means you paid for the experience.
Piracy, meanwhile, is just skipping the payment entirely. Hope that helps!
Its about enshittacation. Everything we “own” online only becomes worse over time and permanently advertised buys are actually just temporary. Hope that helps!
It the same as sharing media with a friend. Also culture shouldn’t only be available for those with money
Piracy is a lot of work. If they had better product people wouldn’t do it
It’s not about enshitification at all? It’s all about the point that piracy causes losses. Nothing else. Of course if piracy didn’t cause any losses, no one in the industry would actually be against it. Me, I’m all for it. For all the reasons stated in this thread for some reason. But I’m not sure why anyone keeps bringing it up, as the only talking point is that it fucking causes losses to the producers.
It’s more then a one dimensional issue. Life is about more then corporate profits dingus lol
Life, sure. But not the comment i was originally replying to
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If the creators themselves dont care, and the band is an especially bad example, the only people who give a fuck are shitheads like Metallica, you should take them for what they are and be happy people are enjoying your creation. Brendan Urie said it best, “pirate it, I dont care”. You’re acting like piracy always results in nobody ever paying and the creators or solemn victims of a ruthless tidal wave. Thats never true. They still sell, its not even a drop in the bucket compared to actual sales. This is like Musk running around screeching about 8bil when the government has a budget of over 2 trillion dollars, you’re bitching about couch change.