Is anyone here aware of some alternatives to mentioned instant messaging applications ? Alot of people keep mentioning Signal , however since it is US based I am not going to entertain it as a possibility.

  • troed
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    11 day ago

    I don’t need to ask questions, I do this for a living.

    • @doodledup
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      21 hours ago

      I doubt that based on the little technical understanding you show.

      But if you do, explain to us how they are able to build a social tree when the users involved use a VPN? (Note that Sealed Sender is enabled by default). If there is any novel security insight that you discovered please share it!

      • troed
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        118 hours ago

        All Signal users use VPN? Amazing. Is that a requirement?

        • @doodledup
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          No. But you can. With Matrix you can’t. The Matrix servers have a plethora of profile data and metadata in addition to public information like your IP. A VPN won’t help you.

          • troed
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            116 hours ago

            No, but running my own server will. Something I cannot with Signal.

            No one uses Signal via VPN.

            • @doodledup
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              You message only people on your server? Because if not and if you federate your instance, selfhosting doesn’t make a difference. Other instances will store your social graph. You’re much more private using Signal even if you don’t use a VPN. Since on Signal at least profiles are encrypted. And IPs change. You can only bind create a probabilistic social tree, vs on Matrix everything is bound to your account and your domain (which doesn’t change).

              I don’t know why I’m even arguing with you. You clearly don’t understand how the underlying technology and software works. You should read up on that before coming back to this thread. I’m only repeating myself here.

              • troed
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                17 hours ago

                If you’re allowed to fantasize about Signal users all using VPN then I can fantasize about people who need that level of security all using their own server, yes :)

                Feel free to drop out of the discussion at any time.

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                  You just misundestand how it works. If nobody uses a VPN Signal is still more secure and private. It simply encrypts more information that Matrix does. The IP address is marginal compared to what long-term identifiable data Matrix knows of your conversations (literally linked to a domain and username). Since Matrix is federated, selfhosing won’t shield you from leaking that information.