Then why you keep passin’ the hot mic to people talkin’ shit about trans athletes? Why amplify that voice on your government podcast? Thats literally Nazi shit. The Nazis made all this “traditional family” bullshit we are drowning in. So no, he shouldn’t be saying it and isolating the already vulnerable. Theres like 10 trans althetes in the fucken nation, leave them alone and fix the fucken markets.
Youre really leaning into my point. You’re going out of your way to equate random shit that has nothing to do with his actions or anything other things he’s done, but only that…he said the sports issue was deeply troubling. Nevermind the piece of shit he was talking to, which is way more troubling. Get mad that he was talking to Charlie Kirk of all people.
Did you even read the post linked? This is the subheading: “California’s Democratic governor was once considered an LGBTQ+ ally. So, what’s with the heel turn?”
You don’t think that’s a bit of an irrational headline? Newsom isnt turning heel, or abandoning a community, or anti-gay/trans/LGBTQ…he’s attempting to bridge a communication gap and find common ground with someone is ideological opposite him. It’s very clear from listening to this.
There’s this sophomoric element in the online world where people latch onto a single example of something they don’t like, and immediately rail against it and use it to tout and amplify their own ideas and beliefs by shouting people down. It doesn’t work and never has. It creates echo chambers for sure, but it doesn’t solve problems or change minds. Talking with people who don’t agree with your point of view is the only way to gain an understanding, and possibly shift some views or find some sort of common ground. Civil rights leaders throughout history sure seemed to understand that, but people seem to want to ignore that now. I don’t see people jumping all over Jon Stewart for having people on TDS who he clearly does not agree with, as an example.
Charlie Kirk IS a humongous piece of shit, an abuser, a hater of women, and all kinds of other bad shit. Does he have people that listen to him? Yup. Will completely ignoring that and isolating yourself from him and his uncle followers and advance the general politiknor help change any minds? Sure as shit didn’t seem to happen in the last election, so…
He has two episodes and he has platformed bigots who aren’t rational conservatives so it’s entirely possible he has turned his back on the LGBTQ+ community.
Do you honestly think the people who support Kirk will support Newsom? I dont
That’s the point… He brought on Charlie Kirk, and rather than, arguing with him… or trying to show his audience why what Kirk has to say shouldn’t have a place in the discourse. He basically was looking for something he can agree with and highlighting the good.
That’s not how you change minds or find common ground with people who are ideological opposite of you. It doesn’t work. We’re living through proof of that right now.
News flash… we’ve been trying the “oh yeah we don’t fully disagree, we grant you a bit of what you like, then you grant a bit of what we want”, and they respond, “oh thank you for what I want… GIVE ME MORE, oh and your stuff FUCK YOU”.
No different than when we caved out obamacare to give into the insane nonstop demands the republicans had for it, but it was worth it to earn… Zero republican votes, 60+ attempts to repeal it.
But less on the policy side lets go on just narrative public speaking types. Next step is the make your case, give a strong arguement for your side. But he’s not really doing that, he’s bringing the far right on, letting them speak, half the time agreeing, half the time being silent.
But ok, so he’s going to mix his guests 50/50, bring on one he agrees with, one he disagrees with, 2/2 right wing… nah doesn’t look that way either.
So question is, what’s he doing that’s different than Joe Rogan at this point?
Then why you keep passin’ the hot mic to people talkin’ shit about trans athletes? Why amplify that voice on your government podcast? Thats literally Nazi shit. The Nazis made all this “traditional family” bullshit we are drowning in. So no, he shouldn’t be saying it and isolating the already vulnerable. Theres like 10 trans althetes in the fucken nation, leave them alone and fix the fucken markets.
Youre really leaning into my point. You’re going out of your way to equate random shit that has nothing to do with his actions or anything other things he’s done, but only that…he said the sports issue was deeply troubling. Nevermind the piece of shit he was talking to, which is way more troubling. Get mad that he was talking to Charlie Kirk of all people.
That’s what we are complaining about. His second guest is also a known transphobe.
Did you even read the post linked? This is the subheading: “California’s Democratic governor was once considered an LGBTQ+ ally. So, what’s with the heel turn?”
You don’t think that’s a bit of an irrational headline? Newsom isnt turning heel, or abandoning a community, or anti-gay/trans/LGBTQ…he’s attempting to bridge a communication gap and find common ground with someone is ideological opposite him. It’s very clear from listening to this.
There’s this sophomoric element in the online world where people latch onto a single example of something they don’t like, and immediately rail against it and use it to tout and amplify their own ideas and beliefs by shouting people down. It doesn’t work and never has. It creates echo chambers for sure, but it doesn’t solve problems or change minds. Talking with people who don’t agree with your point of view is the only way to gain an understanding, and possibly shift some views or find some sort of common ground. Civil rights leaders throughout history sure seemed to understand that, but people seem to want to ignore that now. I don’t see people jumping all over Jon Stewart for having people on TDS who he clearly does not agree with, as an example.
Charlie Kirk IS a humongous piece of shit, an abuser, a hater of women, and all kinds of other bad shit. Does he have people that listen to him? Yup. Will completely ignoring that and isolating yourself from him and his uncle followers and advance the general politiknor help change any minds? Sure as shit didn’t seem to happen in the last election, so…
He has two episodes and he has platformed bigots who aren’t rational conservatives so it’s entirely possible he has turned his back on the LGBTQ+ community.
Do you honestly think the people who support Kirk will support Newsom? I dont
That’s the point… He brought on Charlie Kirk, and rather than, arguing with him… or trying to show his audience why what Kirk has to say shouldn’t have a place in the discourse. He basically was looking for something he can agree with and highlighting the good.
That’s not how you change minds or find common ground with people who are ideological opposite of you. It doesn’t work. We’re living through proof of that right now.
News flash… we’ve been trying the “oh yeah we don’t fully disagree, we grant you a bit of what you like, then you grant a bit of what we want”, and they respond, “oh thank you for what I want… GIVE ME MORE, oh and your stuff FUCK YOU”.
No different than when we caved out obamacare to give into the insane nonstop demands the republicans had for it, but it was worth it to earn… Zero republican votes, 60+ attempts to repeal it.
But less on the policy side lets go on just narrative public speaking types. Next step is the make your case, give a strong arguement for your side. But he’s not really doing that, he’s bringing the far right on, letting them speak, half the time agreeing, half the time being silent.
But ok, so he’s going to mix his guests 50/50, bring on one he agrees with, one he disagrees with, 2/2 right wing… nah doesn’t look that way either.
So question is, what’s he doing that’s different than Joe Rogan at this point?
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