America cannot re-industrialize without reversing this whole philosophy of post-industrial society as a class war against labor. You can’t have both. You can’t have a class war against labor and reindustrialization with the labor unionization that goes with it.

Countries who let an oligarchy develop end up pushing their own economies into obsolescence and a kind of dark age. It’s policy, and most of all, it’s the policy of the Democratic Party’s administration

[The U.S ] economy is paralyzed and we’re in a debt deflation, an economic polarization, that is just transferring all wealth and income away from labor, away from industry, into really the financial sector and what I call the finance, insurance, and real estate sector.

And what’s failed is, right now, President Biden says that he wants the future to re-industrialize. He realizes that ever since the Clinton administration, the Democratic Party has been solidly behind de-industrializing the United States, and that’s actually going back to the 1960s and early 70s when economists were celebrating what they called, a post-industrial society.

Well, what does a post-industrial society mean? It meant a society without blue collar labor, really, service labor, which happened to be a society without labor unions. And the promise was that a post-industrial society was going to make everybody richer, and you’d have easier working conditions, and shorter working days, and productivity would rise, and everybody would have an easier, more prosperous life.

Well, that hasn’t happened, so the question is: Why did the United States decide to de-industrialize? And I think it was done as a combination between two parties. You had the Democrats with a pro-financial anti-labor policy, and the Republicans with a pro-financial, pro-landlord, pro-1% policy, wanting tax cuts; and the real objective of de-industrialization from Clinton on, was an anti-labor policy, because de-industrialization meant essentially lowering employment, and thereby lowering the demand for labor, and lowering the wages. And the question that everyone was asking from 1980 on was, why were wages having to be reduced, and why are wages lower right now? Well, for years, American dominance, as an industrial power in the late 19th century, was a result of low wages, as a result of low housing costs, low debt, free education, public services, and this had created a very prosperous US economy, from right after the Civil War, down through Roosevelt’s New Deal.

But all of this began to come under attack. Really beginning with the Carter administration, when he was promoting immigration as a means of cutting wages in the southwest. It was Carter that began to realize that, well, there’s a lot of labor that’s making too much money in the southwest, we’ll spur immigration.

Well, when Clinton came in later, he wanted to deregulate the economy and he wanted free trade, for basically, corporations to de-invest from the United States, and invest abroad, and hire low wage labor. He pressed to accept China into the World Trade Organization in 2001, and that’s basically the Democratic Party program today, to fight against labor, and reduce its wages, and favor Wall Street. Obama typified this. He promised a card-check to support unionization, and then just refused to do it. And instead of introducing card check, he devoted his time to hoping to work with the Republicans, to cut back Social Security, on the grounds that you had to balance the budget. And by balancing the budget, that would force the economy to rely on private banks lending money at interest, instead of the government creating money to spend into the economy by running budget deficits. Well, Biden has topped it all off by not supporting labor unions, as you saw during the railroad strike, and by the Democrats having a trick that they pull. They have some postgraduate lady – maybe she does have a degree, as the Parliamentarian, who, just in case the Democrats and Congress would pass a law that people want, the parliamentarian said, you can’t pass that because that’s pro-labor. And being pro-labor is against the Constitution. Because that’s against what the original leaders of the Constitution meant. And you can’t pass a law favoring blacks or hispanics, as you saw with the Harvard case, because after all, the original authors of the Constitution were mostly slave owners, and they wouldn’t have wanted any such favoritism to the blacks.

So if you’re an originalist, of course you’re going to have the Parliamentarian lady say, well, that’s not really what the Supreme Court will agree with. And of course, when it finally did get to the Supreme Court, they said: you can’t do this, this is not what the original founders of the Constitution wanted and believed.

They wanted to enslave the blacks, not get them into Harvard for heaven’s sakes. Well, I don’t want to leave the Republicans out of this, because they’ve had a kind of complementary pro-rentier policy, favoring real estate under Reagan, with his accelerated depreciation. He basically made absentee ownership and commercial real estate tax exempt, and he slashed the taxes on wealth, and moved away from progressive taxation to regressive taxation.

As did Donald Trump, and of course the Democrats have accepted all of this. There was no attempt by the Democrats to fight back against the Republicans regressive taxation, and the difference is that the Republicans have a kind of libertarian, anti-government policy, which is their euphemism for a government strong enough to control the economy, and the interests of the 1%, who are their campaign donors.

And the Democrats are pro-government. Namely, they want a pro-government strong enough to defend the 1% against the rest of the economy, but they use a different rhetoric for all of this. So the problem is that both US political parties are committed to de-industrialization for the reasons that the head of the Federal reserve has explained over the last few months: if you have more industrialization, you’ll have more employment, and if you have more employment, you’ll raise wages. And our philosophy, Democrats and Republicans alike, is to keep wages down so that corporate profits can be higher. And it’s worth it to the employing class, it’s worth it to the corporate monopolies to impose a depression on the United States, as long as that will reduce wages and strengthen the power of the 1% over the 99%. So the 1% is willing to lose sales, to lose profits, as the economy falls into what they call a recession, as long as their power over the 99% increases.

That’s the basic key to understanding where American politics is going. And this is why the Davos gang says the world is overpopulated. Who needs labor, when it really can’t afford to pay interest. For the financial sector and the FIRE sector, the 1% or the 10%, the role of labor is to make enough earnings so that it can pay interest to the banks, pay rents or interest to the mortgage lenders, and can basically pay money to the FIRE sector. And if labor’s wages really are forced down to break-even subsistence levels, then who needs labor? Time for population control. And basically the US problem is not only low wages, but it’s tax favoritism for the FIRE sector. And this cannot be reversed without causing a bank crisis. Because if you were to tax real estate and home ownership, for instance, and commercial real estate with a land tax, which is what the whole 19th century’s classical economics is all about, then the banks couldn’t get paid. So we’re stuck. America cannot re-industrialize without reversing this whole philosophy of post-industrial society as a class war against labor.

You can’t have both. You can’t have a class war against labor and reindustrialization, with the labor unionization that goes with it. That’s the conundrum. So when Biden talks about, we at the Democratic party want to re-industrialize, there’s no way that his policies can possibly permit any real re-industrialization to occur.

And that’s why America’s stuck. That’s why it’s become a failed state, because it can’t compete with other countries in today’s world with this right wing libertarian, anti-labor, neoliberal philosophy.

  • @TokenBoomer
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    01 year ago

    At some point, when people realize that capitalism is the problem, they’re gonna be really perturbed.

    • @stanleytweedle
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      11 year ago

      What does that even mean to you in specific, practical terms? What policies would you enact to change the economic structure of the US into whatever you’re thinking is the solution to the problems you believe are caused by capitalism?

      • @TokenBoomer
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        11 year ago

        Okay. But you’re not gonna like it. Is a revolution considered practical? Reform is impossible and we already tried that in 1933. If we do try reforms, they’ll work for a while, like they did. But eventually we’ll be in this same place in 30 years because of wealthy people capturing the government. Getting rid of capitalism and going to a planned economy is the only answer. It also would help with climate change. Just so you know, I don’t like the answer either. If you’ve got a better one, I’m all for it.

        • @stanleytweedle
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          21 year ago

          Do you mean an actual hot war? I mean… even if we ignore the entire landscape of unknowns a revolutionary war creates and assume we’ll come out the other end a functional society at all- can you outline the full structure and function of the government and institutions that will maintain and enforce this planned economy after the revolution reboot? And maybe how that government will compare to today’s in terms of our expectations of individual liberties and civil rights.

          • @TokenBoomer
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            11 year ago

            Unfortunately, the revolution will probably be violent. The billionaires won’t give up power easily. As for after. Greater minds than mine have wrote about what could replace it. In my opinion, because of historical evidence, America will eventually fall into fascism. The beginnings we’re seeing now. Eventually, the population will overthrow it, and there will be another fascist or socialism. What form of socialism will depend on the power of the forces vying. Marxist Leninism seems the most relevant, because it’s been done before and there’s a framework. I’m an anarchist, but that’s only been done in smaller regions and never tried on a national scale; so likely not to happen. If I could design it, it would be a form of council communism. Councils would control industries and governments and be elected by lottery. I’m still learning about it and think there may be problems with scaling. But I’m just a guy on the internet, I could be completely wrong.

            • @stanleytweedle
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              11 year ago

              I’m not even sure a violent revolution like you imagine is possible against modern military technology. Maybe if we had to adapt to a collapse of the global technological supply chain for a decade or two there might be more parity between ‘the population’ and government military force. But short of that there is zero potential for a civil military conflict except between existing military forces.

              Thing is with that kind of collapse we won’t have as many capitalist billionaire problems, we’ll just have a bunch of warlords\crime-boss types filling the power vacuum instead. And if somehow we did pull a planned economy out of that rubble- it would still face the exact same threat- unchecked power and corruption.

              Pretty much the only thing we can do is try and make sure no one person or group obtains too much power. That’s why we tried to build checks and balances into the government itself, with equal partner branches. We just fucked up and forgot money can bridge the divide and override those checks completely. No reason we can’t add those checks in now instead of just waiting for a collapse so we might be able to pull off a revolution and maybe built another thing that’ll still be vulnerable to corruption. Greed isn’t going away. Lust for power isn’t going away. May as well face them here and now.

              I’m still learning about it and think there may be problems with scaling.

              That’s the core paradox of civilization in my mind. Our technological power creates the illusion that we can effectively design and plan society at large scales, but our evolved capacity for shared self-interest only extends to tribal population levels. Beyond that we’re dependent on our cultures to teach us how to care and take responsibility for other humans and most human cultures kinda suck at that.

              • @TokenBoomer
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                11 year ago

                Humans aren’t selfish by nature. That is narrative perpetuated by neoliberals to justify capitalism. Look to any disaster, like 9/11, they’re were people being turned away from helping. Selfishness and competitiveness are learned behaviors to survive capitalism. A different political economy would foster selflessness and sharing. A planned economy is also possible. Walmart and Amazon already do this. Cybersyn was as n attempt by Chile to do this. Which is one of the reasons America did a coup. I didn’t make myself clear about the revolution. It will be a organized grassroots class movement that the military would not be willing to fire upon. That would lead to the fascist government. The collapse of current government is inevitable. Whether by design or due to climate change. Historically, capitalism turns into fascism to stave off socialism. If the people want socialism, they’ll get it. America was close to socialism after the stock market crash in 1929. There were popular Socialist and Communist parties about to get into Congress. That’s the only reason FDR did the New Deal. What we’re going through has happened before in the early 1900’s, The Red Scare in 1919. Capitalism is untenable. You can’t have infinite growth on a finite planet.

                • @stanleytweedle
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                  11 year ago

                  Where did you think that I said humans are ‘selfish by nature’?

                  A planned economy is also possible. Walmart and Amazon already do this.

                  You don’t see any problem with using companies that were built and depend on capitalist policies and exploitation of cheap overseas labor as a model for your ‘planned economy’?

                  • @TokenBoomer
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                    I felt that it was implied by “shared self interests.” It’s a widely used talking point to defend capitalism. And most debates about its merits usually devolve to”it’s human nature.” As for the planned economy, I have no problem adopting something used in capitalism. I’m talking about using the logistics, not the exploitation. Desalinnes has written some great essays that might interest you. Stephen Gowans also has a great essay about planned economies.