These people don’t realize (or well, maybe they do and are lying, I can’t read their minds) that asking people to not meaningfully participate in voting is like asking people to not participate in capitalism.
The argument that there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism — something all leftists agree on and understand they still need to buy food, clothes, electronics etc. despite them being unethically sourced — is the same as the argument that there’s no ethical voting in FPTP (and capitalism). It’s literally the same argument, just centered on voting.
So these people end up doing a kind of unironic “you say you’re a leftist yet you own an iPhone” but for voting — while probably typing all that from an iPhone.
To be fair, some of them are members of the Church of Accelerationism and believe that making life worse for people and offering up vulnerable populations as sacrifice will magically lead to the world getting transformed into a better place, despite no historical data backing such an idea. So, they want Nazis to win, despite claiming to be leftists who care about fellow human beings.
Yeah, there’s a lot of that going around. As if capitalism will collapse precisely into fully automated luxury space communism as opposed to straight-up Mad Max (i.e. the manifestation of America’s collective id).
I do care I am just not dumb enough to think that your mentality is the solution.
Basically, you voted for Trump thinking the genocide issue would be resolved. Instead of genocide being resolved, you STILL have genocide in addition to a wrecked economy.
Ah so you think you are innocent because you didn’t vote.
No. That makes you complacent. You let Trump win by not voting which is the same as voting for Trump.
People like you are why Trump is president.
What a brain dead take. Not only do you STILL have genocide, you also have a president who is going to destroy this country. All because you couldn’t lift your lazy fat ass off the couch.
You and those who took your route are virtue signaling morons. But at least you can look down your nose at the rest of us while our democracy crumbles and our rights are stripped away.
Option A — do something: If you pull the lever, the trolley will run over people.
Option B — do nothing: If you don’t pull the lever, it will still run them over, just more quickly because some of the passengers consider the victims a threat and anyway the conductor’s itinerary includes running over everyone else on the planet and barreling into the sea before the trolley runs out of steam.
BUT as everyone is run over you can show them your hands, and they will marvel at how clean they are, and you will say “it’s because I had the courage to not touch the lever,” and your unwavering sense of justice will inspire them so they may die happy knowing they once spoke to such a hero…
Obviously option B, doing nothing, is the most ethical solution, since clean hands should be one’s priority.
Independent. I still voted blue because they promised less genocide and I knew not doing so guaranteed as much of it as possible.
But now that I see how clean your hands are compared to mine, I am ashamed. I mean, yes a lot more people are now dying as a result, but can you really put a price on cleanliness?
Unfortunately, over decades they’ve learned who are reliable voting blocks. Not participating communicates that one sees both options as functionally the same. So if anything, it encourages then to move to the right, which is a reliable voting block.
I’m not at all gleeful about voting for them, and desperately want other options. I’m doing what I can to build parallel structures, engage in mutual aid, and in my day job I’m fighting climate change as an environmental research scientist. Unfortunately, we don’t live in the best of all possible worlds, and the tracks of the trolley don’t change overnight.
I’m sorry that you’ve misunderstood my point so deeply. Let me more explicit. The Cheneys should have been thrown into a volcano. Harris did a shit job. We all need to organize to get milquetoast liberals/moderates and fascists alike out of office.
If you didn’t vote for Harris, you accepted that allowing genocide and converting Gaza into a Trump resort was preferable to voting for slightly less genocide. The genocide has only gotten worse because Harris lost. Clownshow ethics.
If you voted for Harris you voted for genocide. People who abstained did not.
You bit hard into the propaganda campaign for this.
You had two choices, bad or worse.
You chose neither and allowed worse to win.
Get down off your high horse, this does not make you morally superior, it makes you an idiot.
These people don’t realize (or well, maybe they do and are lying, I can’t read their minds) that asking people to not meaningfully participate in voting is like asking people to not participate in capitalism.
The argument that there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism — something all leftists agree on and understand they still need to buy food, clothes, electronics etc. despite them being unethically sourced — is the same as the argument that there’s no ethical voting in FPTP (and capitalism). It’s literally the same argument, just centered on voting.
So these people end up doing a kind of unironic “you say you’re a leftist yet you own an iPhone” but for voting — while probably typing all that from an iPhone.
To be fair, some of them are members of the Church of Accelerationism and believe that making life worse for people and offering up vulnerable populations as sacrifice will magically lead to the world getting transformed into a better place, despite no historical data backing such an idea. So, they want Nazis to win, despite claiming to be leftists who care about fellow human beings.
Yeah, there’s a lot of that going around. As if capitalism will collapse precisely into fully automated luxury space communism as opposed to straight-up Mad Max (i.e. the manifestation of America’s collective id).
I do not care. Tell Democrats to stop doing genocide instead of telling people to vote for it.
When you can’t buy anything in the stores you will definitely care.
When you’re starving to death in your own house you won’t be thinking about genocide anymore.
Stop burying your head in the sand.
Basically what you just said is it’s bad that democrats do genocide but when republicans do it then it’s fine.
Basically you said you do not care about genocide unless it happens to you.
No but you’ve abundantly made it clear that you think by letting Trump into office that the genocide issue magically goes away. Your logic sucks.
Edit: replied to wrong person
You think Kamala does not it go away but you do not care.
I do care I am just not dumb enough to think that your mentality is the solution.
Basically, you voted for Trump thinking the genocide issue would be resolved. Instead of genocide being resolved, you STILL have genocide in addition to a wrecked economy.
Well done. 👍
If you didn’t, then you got us genocide+™.
Ah so you think you are innocent because you didn’t vote.
No. That makes you complacent. You let Trump win by not voting which is the same as voting for Trump.
People like you are why Trump is president.
What a brain dead take. Not only do you STILL have genocide, you also have a president who is going to destroy this country. All because you couldn’t lift your lazy fat ass off the couch.
You and those who took your route are virtue signaling morons. But at least you can look down your nose at the rest of us while our democracy crumbles and our rights are stripped away.
Option A — do something: If you pull the lever, the trolley will run over people.
Option B — do nothing: If you don’t pull the lever, it will still run them over, just more quickly because some of the passengers consider the victims a threat and anyway the conductor’s itinerary includes running over everyone else on the planet and barreling into the sea before the trolley runs out of steam.
BUT as everyone is run over you can show them your hands, and they will marvel at how clean they are, and you will say “it’s because I had the courage to not touch the lever,” and your unwavering sense of justice will inspire them so they may die happy knowing they once spoke to such a hero…
Obviously option B, doing nothing, is the most ethical solution, since clean hands should be one’s priority.
Tell your party to make a track without genocide next time.
Independent. I still voted blue because they promised less genocide and I knew not doing so guaranteed as much of it as possible.
But now that I see how clean your hands are compared to mine, I am ashamed. I mean, yes a lot more people are now dying as a result, but can you really put a price on cleanliness?
They did not promise less genocide. But you still voted for them.
Well yeah, that’s exactly the idea. Choose the best of bad options, and try to improve things so that the next time there’s better options.
Not choosing either usually leads to the worse option, which makes it harder to improve things.
There are no easy options.
This is how making demands works. Hope the Democratic party learned that they will not get votes like this next time.
Unfortunately, over decades they’ve learned who are reliable voting blocks. Not participating communicates that one sees both options as functionally the same. So if anything, it encourages then to move to the right, which is a reliable voting block.
I’m not at all gleeful about voting for them, and desperately want other options. I’m doing what I can to build parallel structures, engage in mutual aid, and in my day job I’m fighting climate change as an environmental research scientist. Unfortunately, we don’t live in the best of all possible worlds, and the tracks of the trolley don’t change overnight.
Yes Liz Cheney worked wonders. Very reliable. You are a political expert. Harris had the best campaign.
I’m sorry that you’ve misunderstood my point so deeply. Let me more explicit. The Cheneys should have been thrown into a volcano. Harris did a shit job. We all need to organize to get milquetoast liberals/moderates and fascists alike out of office.
You said right wingers are a reliable voting block. Looks like they did not show up.
If you didn’t vote for Harris, you accepted that allowing genocide and converting Gaza into a Trump resort was preferable to voting for slightly less genocide. The genocide has only gotten worse because Harris lost. Clownshow ethics.
Harris stated multiple times that she wanted a cease fire and a two state solution. Polar opposite of Trumps “sweep them out and take over.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial
October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480
Actions and words are two different things.
As VP she literally could not take any action unless it came down to a 50-50 vote in the Senate. That’s the job of the VP.
Only thing she could do is lie that they were doing everything they could.
the genocide was also part of the tRump package, worse actually
Looks like the genocide is going stronger than ever. Congratulations.
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