A 21-year-old tourist has described the horrendous treatment he allegedly received after being denied entry to the USA due to a meme depicting JD Vance as bald being found on his phone
A 21-year-old tourist has described the horrendous treatment he allegedly received after being denied entry to the USA due to a meme depicting JD Vance as bald being found on his phone
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You legitimately think if you’re not a citizen of a country you’re not subject to any of their laws?
Is that like a sovereign citizen thing or something?
It’s not an unreasonable question for land borders.
If a non-citizen has not yet entered the country, why should agents have the right to imprison and fine them if they aren’t an active threat? Deny them entry and ban them from returning, sure. Dragging a foreign national into the country and punishing them over their refusal to consent to a search? Excessive.
What are they doing at a border station?
Like, a big problem here is you don’t seem to know how border stations work, or where they are.
How can a country control a border station that’s not within their own borders?
This is very very basic parts of the topic you’re deciding to weigh in on…
Like, have you ever crossed an international border before?
You know exactly what I meant. Stop being pedantic.
Somebody requests entry to a country and has to step onto that country’s soil in order to be processed. That country reasonably has the right to deny the request, prevent further entry, and send you back to where you came from.
The same can not be said for detaining and imprisoning a foreign national who does not pose any immediate threat or clearly intend to cause harm. If they refuse to leave, that’s fair game. If they’re prevented from leaving and instead detained and imprisoned, that’s abduction.
The obvious answer the question the other commenter asked was, no shit, nobody is going to stop them from doing whatever they want on their own land. That doesn’t make the practice of doing so morally acceptable or permissible for international relations.
Nope.
You don’t stand on the other side of a line and ask Red Rover if you can cross the border.
You cross the border, and deal with customs/border personal.
If you’re talking to an American customs/borders worker, you’re already in America. Same for every other country.
I didn’t read the rest of your comment tho. Good luck finding someone willing to explain specifics without being pedantic.
You are literally agreeing with that statement. They said yes, the person had to cross over, yes they’re on soil, but they clearly presented themself at an entry point, not just being randomly found somewhere, so the obvious answer to ‘no we don’t want you here’ is to tell someone to turn around, not detain them.
I am not.
They said:
There is no “requests entry to a country”.
You cross into the country, then talk to their customs/border people, after you’re already in their country
I’d say it’s not that complicated, but, well, here we are
“Somebody who entered the country with the intent to proceed further, but does not currently have permission to do so and is in the process of requesting permission to be admitted as a temporary visitor has to step onto that country’s soil in order to processed.”
Is that any better, oh Divine Lord of Pendantry?
You deny entry.
Yes, airports are hard exactly because of that but you deny entry.
Won’t let us search your phone? Go home wanker. Not, "Won’t let us search your phone? That’ll be $5k and a few months of your life.’
After they’ve entered the country?
I’m starting to think people are messing with me, this is how shit has worked since 9/11. To a lesser extent even earlier.
And for the record, I’m not advocating for a system I think is fair. I’m explaining reality.
If a drug smuggler, terrorist, murderer on the lamb, serial jaywalker, really any type of criminal tries to enter your country, you wouldn’t want to risk sending them back and them coming back over tomorrow.
Because they would just keep trying, every day, until they made it over.
Now, I have been turned away at the border before. Twice actually.
The first time it happened, you know what we did?
Went to a gas station in Detroit in at like 2am, cleaned out our vehicle, and then took the alternate entry into Canada
Canada rejecting me the first time kept me out a grand total of 45 minutes.
That is why the system that trump is currently abusing exists to be abused at individual workers discretion at virtually every land border outside of areas like the EU with virtually zero border security within the larger unit.
I really hope that helps people understand