Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday he would tolerate no corruption or treachery in affairs of state while his country is struggling to find the means to defend itself against Russian invaders.
What was the threat against Russia? Were they going to invaded Russia? Ukraine barely had an army. Ukraine gave up it’s nuclear weapons in the 1990s in exchange for security protections, signed by Russia, Ukraine, Britain and the United States, promised that none of the nations would use force or threats against Ukraine and all would respect its sovereignty and existing borders (Budapest Memorandum).
Putin broke that treaty and is trying to create his dollar store version of the Soviet union by invading other countries.
So, explaining historical context is apologizing for Nazis?
Slava Ukraine is said by Ukraine, I never said it wasn’t. But you never explained how that makes them Nazis. If Ukraine was invading other countries, it might have a different meaning but it’s just them defending their country. If their slogan was “heil Hitler” you might have a point.
Wow, thousands of wanna-be neo-Nazis!!! Out of a population of 43 million. So, like .002% of the population!!! You’re right, that’s not a minority!
I say the picture of zelenskyy is fake… If I just say it, it must be true.
Okay, Stalin. So, you just resort to name calling… I can too.
Hitler and Stalin were monsters and it’s sad to see that Putin is acting like a mashup of the two of them.
Really? You want their codifications? The titles of the laws? JFC, the dishonesty on display. You’re just trying to give me busywork because you have no comeback. Are you trying to tell me that you deny that these laws exist?
What was the threat against Russia?
Constant big talk about joining NATO and installing nukes in Ukraine, eliminating the possibility of MAD. Ethhnic cleansing on its doorstep of ethnic Russians.
Putin didn’t break any treaty, Russia legally invaded Ukraine after he lost a motion in the Duma about the recognition of the breakaway regions. Once they were officially recognised Russia had to protect them from Ukraine’s Nazi forces.
So, explaining historical context is apologizing for Nazis?
If you’re “explaining” in order to make excuses for them, yes.
Slava Ukraine is said by Ukraine, I never said it wasn’t. But you never explained how that makes them Nazis.
It’s a Nazi slogan, used by Nazis. next question?
If Ukraine was invading other countries, it might have a different meaning but it’s just them defending their country.
You think Nazis are only Nazis if they’re invading somewhere? Weird idea. Anyway they were invading the autonomously declared regions in Donbas. A people who wanted self-determination to escape the threat of Nazi ethnic cleansing.
Wow, thousands of wanna-be neo-Nazis!!! Out of a population of 43 million. So, like .002% of the population!!!
Thousands of pictures. Anyway, nobody said that everyone in Ukraine was a Nazi. The state is fascist and has invented holidays honouring Nazis and renamed streets and stadiums after Nazis.
Stalin defeated the Nazis. Ukraine has never forgiven the Russians for that.
You’re the one making claims of laws that are responsible for ethnic cleansing, so you should be able to provide some examples.
There are no nukes in the Baltic states (they are already NATO members but Ukraine isn’t), why would they put nukes in the Ukraine? Plus the US and Russia could already hit anywhere in the world already. So, it’s a made up threat to try to justify an invasion.
Slogans can have different meanings depending on context. If Ukraine was invading other countries, then Glory to Ukraine might sound like they are superior but if they are defending it sounds like they will be victorious. Plus, Slava Ukraine sounds more like a the Soviet union slogan “glory to the motherland.”
Man, if you think that historical context are excuses. You could never read a history book then… Which might actually explain a lot…
Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can’t illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.
Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people… And you wonder why so many former Soviet countries want to join NATO for protection. One monster replaced with another.
There are no nukes in the Baltic states (they are already NATO members but Ukraine isn’t), why would they put nukes in the Ukraine?
The point is not to put nukes there, the point is to threaten Russia to provoke a war. It worked. Why expand NATO at all? The USSR doesn’t exist anymore, it should have been dismantled.
Slogans can have different meanings depending on context.
Nazi slogans are Nazi slogans regardless of context. If you start chanting "Sieg Heil"do you really think the excuse that you haven’t invaded anywhere is going to wash? Besides, Ukraine invaded the breakaway republics and killed thousands, including civilians while chanting these Nazi slogans.
Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can’t illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.
Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people
Stalin was by no means perfect but this millions of people crap is just ahistorical yank propaganda that you’ve been brainwashed with.
So name a law BEFORE the invasion (2014)… Remember you are trying to justify the illegal invasion. It looks like the stuff you list was in response to the invasion.
Let me think… Why would countries want to join NATO. could it be Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia… Seems like there is a need. Seems like Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR.
Okay, the Soviets used Nazi slogans, got it
Wow, Stalin not that bad? He’s not as bad as Hitler but still close. Stalin was just over a longer span of time. To the point the Soviet union even tried to De-Stalinization the Soviet union.
My parents grew up under Soviet oppression and it was not a good time.
Name a law before the Nazi coup overthrew Ukraine and started the ethnic cleansing. Well done, you’ve managed to move the goalposts so far that nothing makes sense anymore. Russia was invited into the independent Autonomous Republic of Crimea by its leadership in order to protect it from the Nazis after the American coup.
Let me think… Why would countries want to join NATO.
The vast majority of actual citizens of countries all over Europe are opposed to America’s war in Ukraine, as opposed to their American influenced leadership.
Wow, Stalin not that bad? He’s not as bad as Hitler but still close.
This is just American propaganda. Your parents’ experience is at odds with most peoples’. Almost everyone who lived in the USSR preferred it to what came after.
The goalposts are firmly intact. You said Russia had to illegally invade because ethnic cleaning… But you haven’t provided any examples… You know, before the invasion, that would justify it. Hell, you haven’t even proved that the government are Nazis. You can’t just scream “NAZI!” and invade a sovereign country. You have a picture with Ukrainian Insurgent Army flags in the background and claims of ethic cleaning that came after the invasion.
Support for NATO has gone up since the second illegal invasion of Ukraine 2022 (support was lower before the second illegal invasion, poll from 2019 but it was still positive):
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/?attachment_id=51128
You can’t have a vote during a military occupation… And you can’t invade a sovereign country because you are popular there.
So, my parents were unique? Why haven’t most former ussr countries tried to get closer with Russia? With the exception of Belarus, which has a dictator. Many countries fought to be in NATO so they wouldn’t have to be under Russia again.
Hell, even Putin’s quote, “Anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”
The goalposts are firmly intact. You said Russia had to illegally invade because ethnic cleaning…
Well I obviously didn’t say that because Russia’s invasion was legal. It’s telling that you feel the need to try to put words in my mouth though.
But you haven’t provided any examples… You know, before the invasion, that would justify it.
The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn’t enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example). And you’re asking why Crimea would be justified in asking for protection from these monsters?
Most Europeans want peace. The US and its puppets do not.
You can’t have a vote during a military occupation…
This Pew Research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.
And you can’t invade a sovereign country because you are popular there.
One, Ukraine was not a sovereign country, its sovereignty and its democracy were overthrown by America’s Nazi goons.
Why haven’t most former ussr countries tried to get closer with Russia?
Why would they? Russia is a shithole. The USSR had a better standard of living than the USA in many cases.
Hell, even Putin’s quote, “Anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”
Nobody wants THE USSR back, but more and more people want A USSR back.
You said a lot of stuff with no evidence provided. And again, you can’t just scream “NAZI” with no proof.
In fact, I declare that russians are Nazis!!! They do seem to act a lot like Nazis
“The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn’t enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example).”
Ukraine is sovereign country and fully recognized by Russia in the Budapest Memorandum.
So, if the Freedom of Russia Legion goes into Belgorod and holds a vote… Then they can legally invite Ukraine in? And Russia will just lay down their arms?
Let’s ask the Chechens how their independence movement is going… I’m sure the Russians fully supports that
Please list some laws.
What was the threat against Russia? Were they going to invaded Russia? Ukraine barely had an army. Ukraine gave up it’s nuclear weapons in the 1990s in exchange for security protections, signed by Russia, Ukraine, Britain and the United States, promised that none of the nations would use force or threats against Ukraine and all would respect its sovereignty and existing borders (Budapest Memorandum). Putin broke that treaty and is trying to create his dollar store version of the Soviet union by invading other countries.
So, explaining historical context is apologizing for Nazis?
Slava Ukraine is said by Ukraine, I never said it wasn’t. But you never explained how that makes them Nazis. If Ukraine was invading other countries, it might have a different meaning but it’s just them defending their country. If their slogan was “heil Hitler” you might have a point.
Wow, thousands of wanna-be neo-Nazis!!! Out of a population of 43 million. So, like .002% of the population!!! You’re right, that’s not a minority!
I say the picture of zelenskyy is fake… If I just say it, it must be true.
Okay, Stalin. So, you just resort to name calling… I can too. Hitler and Stalin were monsters and it’s sad to see that Putin is acting like a mashup of the two of them.
Really? You want their codifications? The titles of the laws? JFC, the dishonesty on display. You’re just trying to give me busywork because you have no comeback. Are you trying to tell me that you deny that these laws exist?
Constant big talk about joining NATO and installing nukes in Ukraine, eliminating the possibility of MAD. Ethhnic cleansing on its doorstep of ethnic Russians.
Putin didn’t break any treaty, Russia legally invaded Ukraine after he lost a motion in the Duma about the recognition of the breakaway regions. Once they were officially recognised Russia had to protect them from Ukraine’s Nazi forces.
If you’re “explaining” in order to make excuses for them, yes.
It’s a Nazi slogan, used by Nazis. next question?
You think Nazis are only Nazis if they’re invading somewhere? Weird idea. Anyway they were invading the autonomously declared regions in Donbas. A people who wanted self-determination to escape the threat of Nazi ethnic cleansing.
Thousands of pictures. Anyway, nobody said that everyone in Ukraine was a Nazi. The state is fascist and has invented holidays honouring Nazis and renamed streets and stadiums after Nazis.
Stalin defeated the Nazis. Ukraine has never forgiven the Russians for that.
You’re the one making claims of laws that are responsible for ethnic cleansing, so you should be able to provide some examples.
There are no nukes in the Baltic states (they are already NATO members but Ukraine isn’t), why would they put nukes in the Ukraine? Plus the US and Russia could already hit anywhere in the world already. So, it’s a made up threat to try to justify an invasion.
Slogans can have different meanings depending on context. If Ukraine was invading other countries, then Glory to Ukraine might sound like they are superior but if they are defending it sounds like they will be victorious. Plus, Slava Ukraine sounds more like a the Soviet union slogan “glory to the motherland.”
Man, if you think that historical context are excuses. You could never read a history book then… Which might actually explain a lot…
Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can’t illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.
Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people… And you wonder why so many former Soviet countries want to join NATO for protection. One monster replaced with another.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/25/ukraine-adopts-law-enforcing-use-of-ukrainian-in-public-life
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1632366929745940480
https://twitter.com/RueDaungier/status/1650503466706452484
The point is not to put nukes there, the point is to threaten Russia to provoke a war. It worked. Why expand NATO at all? The USSR doesn’t exist anymore, it should have been dismantled.
Nazi slogans are Nazi slogans regardless of context. If you start chanting "Sieg Heil"do you really think the excuse that you haven’t invaded anywhere is going to wash? Besides, Ukraine invaded the breakaway republics and killed thousands, including civilians while chanting these Nazi slogans.
Stalin was by no means perfect but this millions of people crap is just ahistorical yank propaganda that you’ve been brainwashed with.
So name a law BEFORE the invasion (2014)… Remember you are trying to justify the illegal invasion. It looks like the stuff you list was in response to the invasion.
Let me think… Why would countries want to join NATO. could it be Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia… Seems like there is a need. Seems like Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR.
Okay, the Soviets used Nazi slogans, got it
Wow, Stalin not that bad? He’s not as bad as Hitler but still close. Stalin was just over a longer span of time. To the point the Soviet union even tried to De-Stalinization the Soviet union. My parents grew up under Soviet oppression and it was not a good time.
Name a law before the Nazi coup overthrew Ukraine and started the ethnic cleansing. Well done, you’ve managed to move the goalposts so far that nothing makes sense anymore. Russia was invited into the independent Autonomous Republic of Crimea by its leadership in order to protect it from the Nazis after the American coup.
The vast majority of actual citizens of countries all over Europe are opposed to America’s war in Ukraine, as opposed to their American influenced leadership.
This is just American propaganda. Your parents’ experience is at odds with most peoples’. Almost everyone who lived in the USSR preferred it to what came after.
The goalposts are firmly intact. You said Russia had to illegally invade because ethnic cleaning… But you haven’t provided any examples… You know, before the invasion, that would justify it. Hell, you haven’t even proved that the government are Nazis. You can’t just scream “NAZI!” and invade a sovereign country. You have a picture with Ukrainian Insurgent Army flags in the background and claims of ethic cleaning that came after the invasion.
Support for NATO has gone up since the second illegal invasion of Ukraine 2022 (support was lower before the second illegal invasion, poll from 2019 but it was still positive): https://www.pewresearch.org/global/?attachment_id=51128
Most European countries feel Russia is responsible for the war: https://images.app.goo.gl/SN8muD2Uwz9Z9RgU7
You can’t have a vote during a military occupation… And you can’t invade a sovereign country because you are popular there.
So, my parents were unique? Why haven’t most former ussr countries tried to get closer with Russia? With the exception of Belarus, which has a dictator. Many countries fought to be in NATO so they wouldn’t have to be under Russia again.
Hell, even Putin’s quote, “Anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”
Well I obviously didn’t say that because Russia’s invasion was legal. It’s telling that you feel the need to try to put words in my mouth though.
The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn’t enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example). And you’re asking why Crimea would be justified in asking for protection from these monsters?
Most Europeans want peace. The US and its puppets do not.
This Pew Research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.
One, Ukraine was not a sovereign country, its sovereignty and its democracy were overthrown by America’s Nazi goons.
Why would they? Russia is a shithole. The USSR had a better standard of living than the USA in many cases.
Nobody wants THE USSR back, but more and more people want A USSR back.
You said a lot of stuff with no evidence provided. And again, you can’t just scream “NAZI” with no proof.
In fact, I declare that russians are Nazis!!! They do seem to act a lot like Nazis
“The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn’t enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example).”
Ukraine is sovereign country and fully recognized by Russia in the Budapest Memorandum.
So, if the Freedom of Russia Legion goes into Belgorod and holds a vote… Then they can legally invite Ukraine in? And Russia will just lay down their arms?
Let’s ask the Chechens how their independence movement is going… I’m sure the Russians fully supports that